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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMF needs to step in and take control of wall street rouge trading, which is far worse than any terrorism.  This is out of control now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMF needs to step in and take control of wall street rouge trading, which is far worse than any terrorism.  This is out of control now.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s all scary.  Everything is going to zero.  Deflation.  Deflation.  Deflation.  Well, except when the people get really scared and basically tell the U.S. government to inflate all debts away.  Inflation is, of course, only solution to widespread insolvency.  It will wipe out the savings on those who lent long, but there is no other solution at this point than to add one extra zero to the price of everything.  So borrow whatever you can, buy hard assets, and do not lend to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s all scary.  Everything is going to zero.  Deflation.  Deflation.  Deflation.  Well, except when the people get really scared and basically tell the U.S. government to inflate all debts away.  Inflation is, of course, only solution to widespread insolvency.  It will wipe out the savings on those who lent long, but there is no other solution at this point than to add one extra zero to the price of everything.  So borrow whatever you can, buy hard assets, and do not lend to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we have the honesty we will come to realize this is really quite a simple problem. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;a. acknowledge that there are huge losses- mortgages, car loans etc.&lt;br/&gt;b. require that these losses be recognized by the lenders.&lt;br/&gt;c. decide how far up the debt ladder the losses go e.g. are depositors at banks going to be forced to take hit, policy holders at insurance companies.&lt;br/&gt;d. Nationalize the banks and make all deposits essentially government guaranteed.&lt;br/&gt;e. go back to business.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem here is ideological not economic. The right hates the idea of government involvement, the left is too scared to challenge them and everybody wants to protect the fats cats rather than the average joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we have the honesty we will come to realize this is really quite a simple problem. </p>
<p>a. acknowledge that there are huge losses- mortgages, car loans etc.<br />b. require that these losses be recognized by the lenders.<br />c. decide how far up the debt ladder the losses go e.g. are depositors at banks going to be forced to take hit, policy holders at insurance companies.<br />d. Nationalize the banks and make all deposits essentially government guaranteed.<br />e. go back to business.</p>
<p>The problem here is ideological not economic. The right hates the idea of government involvement, the left is too scared to challenge them and everybody wants to protect the fats cats rather than the average joe.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyG</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/imf-activates-emergency-facility-to.html#comment-20398</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon - my optimism is a half-hearted attempt at even-handedness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think we all know where this ends, and it isn&#039;t going to be pretty.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;May God have mercy upon us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8211; my optimism is a half-hearted attempt at even-handedness.</p>
<p>I think we all know where this ends, and it isn&#8217;t going to be pretty.</p>
<p>May God have mercy upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Yves correctly points out, these IMF loans come with conditions that many nations refuse to accept, including Iceland.  Clearly the so-called &quot;Washington Consensus&quot; is dead.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The peer-reviewed medical literature has now conclusively established that IMF loan conditionalities cause large amounts of premature deaths around the world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should anyone doubt this, I refer them, for starters, to the comprehensive study earlier this year published in The Lancet, the most respected medical journal in the world, that conclusively proves this assertion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque&lt;br/&gt;mdubuque@yahoo.coms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Yves correctly points out, these IMF loans come with conditions that many nations refuse to accept, including Iceland.  Clearly the so-called &#8220;Washington Consensus&#8221; is dead.</p>
<p>The peer-reviewed medical literature has now conclusively established that IMF loan conditionalities cause large amounts of premature deaths around the world.</p>
<p>Should anyone doubt this, I refer them, for starters, to the comprehensive study earlier this year published in The Lancet, the most respected medical journal in the world, that conclusively proves this assertion.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque<br /><a href="mailto:mdubuque@yahoo.coms">mdubuque@yahoo.coms</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>October 9, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To: AndyG:&lt;br/&gt;    I applaud you for maintaining a small modicum of optimism, but would ask you what hasn’t “defaulted” in the last 10 days / 7 months? It seems to me that every financial instrument has become grist for the “default mill”. I think your “if” is more like “when”, and that your “storm in a teacup” is more like a worldwide Cat 6 Typhoon. Wish it weren’t so.&lt;br/&gt;Earl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>October 9, 2008</p>
<p>To: AndyG:<br />    I applaud you for maintaining a small modicum of optimism, but would ask you what hasn’t “defaulted” in the last 10 days / 7 months? It seems to me that every financial instrument has become grist for the “default mill”. I think your “if” is more like “when”, and that your “storm in a teacup” is more like a worldwide Cat 6 Typhoon. Wish it weren’t so.<br />Earl</p>
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		<title>By: Abbott_Of_Iona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbott_Of_Iona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My immediate response to this is &quot;When does the IMF go bankrupt?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is much talk about the Scandanavian model for dealing with a banking crisis.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And, perhaps it is not just talk. It may be true.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, the problem now is that we have a Shadow Banking crisis.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Scandanavia did not have to deal with a Shadow Banking system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Scandanavian model will not work here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It will only work after every relevant Government in the world agree that all derivatives are VOID.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Shadow Banking system must DIE.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All else if futile.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate response to this is &#8220;When does the IMF go bankrupt?&#8221;</p>
<p>There is much talk about the Scandanavian model for dealing with a banking crisis.</p>
<p>And, perhaps it is not just talk. It may be true.</p>
<p>But, the problem now is that we have a Shadow Banking crisis.</p>
<p>Scandanavia did not have to deal with a Shadow Banking system.</p>
<p>The Scandanavian model will not work here.</p>
<p>It will only work after every relevant Government in the world agree that all derivatives are VOID.</p>
<p>The Shadow Banking system must DIE.</p>
<p>All else if futile.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, but it&#039;s one thing to expect a default and for one to actually happen.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A GM CDS trigger could expose a lot of players. Having said that if we get past the LEH CDS event without any major waves then perhaps the whole CDS thing could turn out to be a storm in a teacup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, but it&#8217;s one thing to expect a default and for one to actually happen.</p>
<p>A GM CDS trigger could expose a lot of players. Having said that if we get past the LEH CDS event without any major waves then perhaps the whole CDS thing could turn out to be a storm in a teacup.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar pondering about Ford default + CDS aftermath:&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2008/10/boom_goes_the_cds.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar pondering about Ford default + CDS aftermath:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2008/10/boom_goes_the_cds.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2008/10/boom_goes_the_cds.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@andyg,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hmm... I don&#039;t have the numbers in front of me, but supposedly even as far back as Aug 1st, GM CDS premiums were at 40%+.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words, isn&#039;t a default basically &quot;expected&quot; at this point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andyg,</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; I don&#8217;t have the numbers in front of me, but supposedly even as far back as Aug 1st, GM CDS premiums were at 40%+.  </p>
<p>In other words, isn&#8217;t a default basically &#8220;expected&#8221; at this point?</p>
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