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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book of $42. &lt;br/&gt;http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122308760166804627.html&lt;br/&gt;When I went from mutal to stock owership, policyholders got stock in metlife. Basis is about $15.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Met Life could well take some lumps in the short term from the extreme volatility in markets. But its investment portfolio, valued at $329 billion, is widely viewed as conservatively positioned. It&#039;s made up largely of plain-vanilla fixed-income instruments, with little to no exposure in riskier areas such as collateralized debt obligations. The company has previously disclosed exposure to AIG debt and Lehman Brothers debt of about $800 million, which is viewed as a very manageable level relative to the total investment portfolio&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Howie and anon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book of $42. <br /><a href="http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122308760166804627.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122308760166804627.html</a><br />When I went from mutal to stock owership, policyholders got stock in metlife. Basis is about $15.</p>
<p>“Met Life could well take some lumps in the short term from the extreme volatility in markets. But its investment portfolio, valued at $329 billion, is widely viewed as conservatively positioned. It&#8217;s made up largely of plain-vanilla fixed-income instruments, with little to no exposure in riskier areas such as collateralized debt obligations. The company has previously disclosed exposure to AIG debt and Lehman Brothers debt of about $800 million, which is viewed as a very manageable level relative to the total investment portfolio</p>
<p><a href="http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=.." rel="nofollow">http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=..</a>.</p>
<p>Howie and anon</p>
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		<title>By: tompain</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/metlife-ratings-review-may-have.html#comment-20905</link>
		<dc:creator>tompain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question for MET shareholders is what the company&#039;s response to a downgrade will be.  Hopefully the managers of these companies will have learned from watching the monoline experience, but they probably won&#039;t.  They will dilute the crap out of their current shareholders in a desperate attempt to keep writing new business.  Shareholders should at least hope that any capital raised is raised via rights offerings rather than dilutive sale to some sovereign wealth fund or warren buffett, whose money is no greener than that of existing shareholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question for MET shareholders is what the company&#8217;s response to a downgrade will be.  Hopefully the managers of these companies will have learned from watching the monoline experience, but they probably won&#8217;t.  They will dilute the crap out of their current shareholders in a desperate attempt to keep writing new business.  Shareholders should at least hope that any capital raised is raised via rights offerings rather than dilutive sale to some sovereign wealth fund or warren buffett, whose money is no greener than that of existing shareholders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/metlife-ratings-review-may-have.html#comment-20891</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;rbm411 said...What would happen to all of the people that have Met Life annuities in their if they failed?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Similarly, AIG, MetLife and others write health, life and auto insurance policies.  What happened to these policies when AIG got taken over by the government?  How do renewals work?  What will happen with MetLife or others?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seems to me there may be additional unknown/unintended consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>rbm411 said&#8230;What would happen to all of the people that have Met Life annuities in their if they failed?</i></p>
<p>Similarly, AIG, MetLife and others write health, life and auto insurance policies.  What happened to these policies when AIG got taken over by the government?  How do renewals work?  What will happen with MetLife or others?</p>
<p>Seems to me there may be additional unknown/unintended consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In its own way, this story about Met Life is every bit as important as AIG.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It just will play out along somewhat different trajectories.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it is very near the top of the list of key stories from last week.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem here is NOT so much that they INVESTED in derivatives using hyperleveraging.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is MUCH more important that they were major MARKET MAKERS in those same derviatives.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Remember, there is no centralized clearing house for swaps, be they equity swaps, commodity swaps, currency swaps, sovereign swaps or credit default swaps.  That&#039;s what Corrigan is working on and we should have our first clearinghouse open in a few weeks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the problem here is that everyone has their eye on credit defaults swaps.  I guess that seems understandable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But credit default swaps are only a SMALL portion (around 33%) of the total swap market, ALL of which are coming under increasing pressure in the last six weeks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque&lt;br/&gt;mdubuque@yahoo.comP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In its own way, this story about Met Life is every bit as important as AIG.</p>
<p>It just will play out along somewhat different trajectories.</p>
<p>But it is very near the top of the list of key stories from last week.</p>
<p>The problem here is NOT so much that they INVESTED in derivatives using hyperleveraging.</p>
<p>It is MUCH more important that they were major MARKET MAKERS in those same derviatives.</p>
<p>Remember, there is no centralized clearing house for swaps, be they equity swaps, commodity swaps, currency swaps, sovereign swaps or credit default swaps.  That&#8217;s what Corrigan is working on and we should have our first clearinghouse open in a few weeks.</p>
<p>But the problem here is that everyone has their eye on credit defaults swaps.  I guess that seems understandable.</p>
<p>But credit default swaps are only a SMALL portion (around 33%) of the total swap market, ALL of which are coming under increasing pressure in the last six weeks.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque<br /><a href="mailto:mdubuque@yahoo.comP">mdubuque@yahoo.comP</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/metlife-ratings-review-may-have.html#comment-20855</link>
		<dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Material Adverse Effect in this case may be inability to write GICs and other ratings-sensitive business.  There shouldn&#039;t be much in the way of ratings triggers given the way the business is done today, leaving aside increased collateral on ISDA agreements.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now, other bits of damage -- even investment grade corporates are under threat in a depression.  VA and VL fees decline, leading to a writedown in DAC.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There should not be a solvency threat, as statutory accounting holds bonds at amortized cost unless there is a default.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did not think it would get this bad.  If the life insurers are under threat, we are in deep trouble.  The only thing worse would be if P&amp;C insurers, which run with more underwriting risk and less asset risk, were in trouble.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have over 20 years of experience with life insurance...this is the worst I have seen it, and the life insurers came into this crisis with good balance sheets compared to 1988-2002.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The State Guaranty funds stand behind all policies in a crisis, however, remember that they do so by surcharging the healthy companies in the next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Material Adverse Effect in this case may be inability to write GICs and other ratings-sensitive business.  There shouldn&#39;t be much in the way of ratings triggers given the way the business is done today, leaving aside increased collateral on ISDA agreements.</p>
<p>Now, other bits of damage &#8212; even investment grade corporates are under threat in a depression.  VA and VL fees decline, leading to a writedown in DAC.</p>
<p>There should not be a solvency threat, as statutory accounting holds bonds at amortized cost unless there is a default.</p>
<p>I did not think it would get this bad.  If the life insurers are under threat, we are in deep trouble.  The only thing worse would be if P&amp;C insurers, which run with more underwriting risk and less asset risk, were in trouble.</p>
<p>I have over 20 years of experience with life insurance&#8230;this is the worst I have seen it, and the life insurers came into this crisis with good balance sheets compared to 1988-2002.</p>
<p>The State Guaranty funds stand behind all policies in a crisis, however, remember that they do so by surcharging the healthy companies in the next year.</p>
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		<title>By: rbm411</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbm411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen to all of the people that have Met Life annuities in their if they failed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen to all of the people that have Met Life annuities in their if they failed?</p>
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		<title>By: Let It Sink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let It Sink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning, regulators and ratings agencies may look at our BS numbers and worthless collateral.  This may negatively impact the odds of our survival.  Also, any or all of our executive team could be thrown in jail for it&#039;s fraudulent and incompetent management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning, regulators and ratings agencies may look at our BS numbers and worthless collateral.  This may negatively impact the odds of our survival.  Also, any or all of our executive team could be thrown in jail for it&#8217;s fraudulent and incompetent management.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life insurance companies also have  significant equity-linked exposures under the income and death benefit guarantees contained in their variable annuity (VA) contracts, particularly where the VA contract holders have chosen to make equity investments under their contracts.  For example, many VA contracts have &quot;high water mark&quot; death benefit formulas so that upon the contract holder&#039;s death the insurer must pay out the greatest of (i) the actual contract value at the date of death, or (ii) the highest contract value on any prior contract anniversary, or (iii) the amount of the holder&#039;s original investment escalated at a fixed annual rate, such as 6%.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;During the post 9/11 market slump these death benefit formulas resulted in hundreds of millions of losses.  The situation is likely much worse now because of the magnitude of the slump and the larger volumne of outstanding VA contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life insurance companies also have  significant equity-linked exposures under the income and death benefit guarantees contained in their variable annuity (VA) contracts, particularly where the VA contract holders have chosen to make equity investments under their contracts.  For example, many VA contracts have &#8220;high water mark&#8221; death benefit formulas so that upon the contract holder&#8217;s death the insurer must pay out the greatest of (i) the actual contract value at the date of death, or (ii) the highest contract value on any prior contract anniversary, or (iii) the amount of the holder&#8217;s original investment escalated at a fixed annual rate, such as 6%.  </p>
<p>During the post 9/11 market slump these death benefit formulas resulted in hundreds of millions of losses.  The situation is likely much worse now because of the magnitude of the slump and the larger volumne of outstanding VA contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: River</title>
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		<dc:creator>River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIG was/is into CDS. Sounds benign, since AIG is an insurer and credit default swaps are insurance, but insurance without reserve reqirements. The word &#039;swaps&#039; was substituted for &#039;insurance&#039; to avoid state regulation of insurance instruments. It is possible that MetLife also dabbled in CDS.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;MetLife certainly has something to hide or they would not have disclosed that any sort of problem exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIG was/is into CDS. Sounds benign, since AIG is an insurer and credit default swaps are insurance, but insurance without reserve reqirements. The word &#8217;swaps&#8217; was substituted for &#8216;insurance&#8217; to avoid state regulation of insurance instruments. It is possible that MetLife also dabbled in CDS.</p>
<p>MetLife certainly has something to hide or they would not have disclosed that any sort of problem exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life insurance companies invest in CMBS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life insurance companies invest in CMBS</p>
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