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		<title>By: melpol</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/some-signs-of-thaw-in-credit-freeze.html#comment-20382</link>
		<dc:creator>melpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government is now giving away the treasury to banks in the hope that they will have more to lend the borrower. That is a great way to stimulate the economy as long as the banks make all of the potential borrowers eligible for a big fat loan. The only problem is that the banks will go bust again when most of the big fat loans are not repaid. But the problem will be solved when Uncle Sam comes to the rescue and bails out the banks for a second time. There must have been an economic genuis that devised this theory to keep us all happy. It is deserving of a Nobel Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government is now giving away the treasury to banks in the hope that they will have more to lend the borrower. That is a great way to stimulate the economy as long as the banks make all of the potential borrowers eligible for a big fat loan. The only problem is that the banks will go bust again when most of the big fat loans are not repaid. But the problem will be solved when Uncle Sam comes to the rescue and bails out the banks for a second time. There must have been an economic genuis that devised this theory to keep us all happy. It is deserving of a Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Matt, RP fails get a *YIKES* even from me.  It&#039;s one [very bad] thing for financial firms not to trade with each other, but when they _break their contracts_ with each other it&#039;s a &#039;Nazis leaving Berlin&#039; kind of moment.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would make a difference to know who&#039;s failing whom.  For example, it seems we are clearly approaching nationalizations for some especially rotten banks; if their swapees are holding onto the goods in anticipation of an event of failure, perhaps there&#039;s logic in the mayhem.  Seems to me Lehman had stuff out on loan that wasn&#039;t given back when it went *boink*.  Then too, I would hope it&#039;s a technical snafu.  However you slice &#039;n&#039; dice it, though, This Is Bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Matt, RP fails get a *YIKES* even from me.  It&#8217;s one [very bad] thing for financial firms not to trade with each other, but when they _break their contracts_ with each other it&#8217;s a &#8216;Nazis leaving Berlin&#8217; kind of moment.  </p>
<p>It would make a difference to know who&#8217;s failing whom.  For example, it seems we are clearly approaching nationalizations for some especially rotten banks; if their swapees are holding onto the goods in anticipation of an event of failure, perhaps there&#8217;s logic in the mayhem.  Seems to me Lehman had stuff out on loan that wasn&#8217;t given back when it went *boink*.  Then too, I would hope it&#8217;s a technical snafu.  However you slice &#8216;n&#8217; dice it, though, This Is Bad.</p>
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		<title>By: bg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hesitate to step into such a wonkish discussion, but I spent the last couple of hours trying to track the cause of the TED spread improving, and the supporting headline optimism from Yves.  I got no-where.  But I hardly think that falling below 4 is so important, any more than saying a forest fire is improving because the temperature fell below 500C.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whoever is trading on the money markets is at the margins, and not representative of the core (which is not trading at all).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When we globally nationalize the banks, and these banks start lending to others in the nationalized club, then we will be able to breath again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hesitate to step into such a wonkish discussion, but I spent the last couple of hours trying to track the cause of the TED spread improving, and the supporting headline optimism from Yves.  I got no-where.  But I hardly think that falling below 4 is so important, any more than saying a forest fire is improving because the temperature fell below 500C.</p>
<p>Whoever is trading on the money markets is at the margins, and not representative of the core (which is not trading at all).</p>
<p>When we globally nationalize the banks, and these banks start lending to others in the nationalized club, then we will be able to breath again.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael McKenzie of the Financial Times, very well connected to the RP markets, states that today&#039;s panicked auction by the Treasury was due to the extremely serious &quot;RP fails&quot; that have been occurring at the very heart of the financial system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When these were first revealed about 10 days ago, I mentioned in this blog that this was an extraordinarily serious development.   This is a very big deal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact it was taken so seriously that Paulson doesn&#039;t care about a whopping 40 bp just to try to fix it....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I quote McKenzie:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Investors have stopped lending cash to banks even in return for collateral such as US Treasuries. That has broken the chain of lending between numerous banks to such an extent that borrowed securities have not been returned. &lt;br/&gt;These so-called “repo fails” prompted the US Treasury on Wednesday to re-open various Treasury issues and sell more debt. A greater supply of Treasuries could improve lending in the repo market over the next few days, said traders.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael McKenzie of the Financial Times, very well connected to the RP markets, states that today&#8217;s panicked auction by the Treasury was due to the extremely serious &#8220;RP fails&#8221; that have been occurring at the very heart of the financial system.</p>
<p>When these were first revealed about 10 days ago, I mentioned in this blog that this was an extraordinarily serious development.   This is a very big deal.</p>
<p>In fact it was taken so seriously that Paulson doesn&#8217;t care about a whopping 40 bp just to try to fix it&#8230;.</p>
<p>I quote McKenzie:</p>
<p>&#8220;Investors have stopped lending cash to banks even in return for collateral such as US Treasuries. That has broken the chain of lending between numerous banks to such an extent that borrowed securities have not been returned. <br />These so-called “repo fails” prompted the US Treasury on Wednesday to re-open various Treasury issues and sell more debt. A greater supply of Treasuries could improve lending in the repo market over the next few days, said traders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) UST reopened the 2015 sector because it was &quot;squeezed&quot; so trading a lot of bps expensive to &quot;fair value&quot;. 40bp was the tail, but the average price makes more sense. Treasury may have wanted to punish squeezes &amp; prevent market manipulation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) not only USTs are underperforming swaps, but the trend is set on all govt bonds now.&lt;br/&gt;they were perceived as safe have and have been rallying strongly for a year, thanks to the crisis, and to the Funding squeeze. But these factors are fading now with much more supply coming (for the bailouts and because of the recession), and CB intervention which will become effective at some point, as they throw everything.&lt;br/&gt;3)&lt;br/&gt;but youre right, mkts are becoming more and more illiquid, and execution cost for big trades / auctions / any unwinding going up a lot, and causing volatility.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4) the ultimate step in the financial crisis would be for some govt auctions to fail. Iceland, but at a bigger scale.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5) for that to happen in the US, contrarily to the common opinion, i dont think it would come from the Chinese, Japanese etc... to capitulate on their USD, but it would take the loss of trust by American themselves instead, which would take out all their cash and open accounts oversease....flight of capital</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) UST reopened the 2015 sector because it was &quot;squeezed&quot; so trading a lot of bps expensive to &quot;fair value&quot;. 40bp was the tail, but the average price makes more sense. Treasury may have wanted to punish squeezes &amp; prevent market manipulation.</p>
<p>2) not only USTs are underperforming swaps, but the trend is set on all govt bonds now.<br />they were perceived as safe have and have been rallying strongly for a year, thanks to the crisis, and to the Funding squeeze. But these factors are fading now with much more supply coming (for the bailouts and because of the recession), and CB intervention which will become effective at some point, as they throw everything.<br />3)<br />but youre right, mkts are becoming more and more illiquid, and execution cost for big trades / auctions / any unwinding going up a lot, and causing volatility.</p>
<p>4) the ultimate step in the financial crisis would be for some govt auctions to fail. Iceland, but at a bigger scale.</p>
<p>5) for that to happen in the US, contrarily to the common opinion, i dont think it would come from the Chinese, Japanese etc&#8230; to capitulate on their USD, but it would take the loss of trust by American themselves instead, which would take out all their cash and open accounts oversease&#8230;.flight of capital</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a, liquidity trap, or anyone else that knows a lot about investing,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Which mutual funds do you think are as FPA funds in terms of willingness to hold cash, focus on absolute return, patience to wait for prices to fall to buy targets, willingness to sell as prices rise close to sell targets, etc.?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I love reading you guys/gals comments, and would love your thoughts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Much appreciated,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dumb Money Retail Investor&lt;br/&gt;(cash and TIPs since mid 2006)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a, liquidity trap, or anyone else that knows a lot about investing,</p>
<p>Which mutual funds do you think are as FPA funds in terms of willingness to hold cash, focus on absolute return, patience to wait for prices to fall to buy targets, willingness to sell as prices rise close to sell targets, etc.?</p>
<p>I love reading you guys/gals comments, and would love your thoughts.</p>
<p>Much appreciated,</p>
<p>Dumb Money Retail Investor<br />(cash and TIPs since mid 2006)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the closing comments by Jansen. He has a readers view on the Treasury sale today that contends the Treasury was trying to punish those hoarding richly priced bonds. Jansen doesn&#039;t seem to buy the notion but it is an interesting alternative take on the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the closing comments by Jansen. He has a readers view on the Treasury sale today that contends the Treasury was trying to punish those hoarding richly priced bonds. Jansen doesn&#8217;t seem to buy the notion but it is an interesting alternative take on the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, you might also look at what Jansen said on the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://acrossthecurve.com/?p=1823&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long end of the swap curve&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;There is some interesting stuff playing out in the 30 year sector of the swap curve. There has been chunky receiving in the 30 year sector by pension fund accounts that need duration. Separately, there were certain trades in exotic derivatives, which have gone sour, and has necessitated receiving in the 30 year sector by options desks hedging flattening exposure.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That would pull the 10-year swap along with it.  I like Tony, but I don&#039;t think he is right here.  He is more of a money markets/ governments guy, not a corporates guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, you might also look at what Jansen said on the <a HREF="http://acrossthecurve.com/?p=1823" REL="nofollow">long end of the swap curve</a>:</p>
<p><i>There is some interesting stuff playing out in the 30 year sector of the swap curve. There has been chunky receiving in the 30 year sector by pension fund accounts that need duration. Separately, there were certain trades in exotic derivatives, which have gone sour, and has necessitated receiving in the 30 year sector by options desks hedging flattening exposure.</i></p>
<p>That would pull the 10-year swap along with it.  I like Tony, but I don&#8217;t think he is right here.  He is more of a money markets/ governments guy, not a corporates guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bloomberg article also has this quote about the 10-year swap, which makes me even less likely to cheer this news:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;``The abrupt movements today are likely due to hedging- related activity by exotics trading desks due to the flattening of the spread between the 30-year and 10-year swap rate,&#039;&#039; Liverance said. ``This is a phenomenon that has happened before and I would not read any credit related issues into it.&#039;&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bloomberg article also has this quote about the 10-year swap, which makes me even less likely to cheer this news:</p>
<p>&#8220;The abrupt movements today are likely due to hedging- related activity by exotics trading desks due to the flattening of the spread between the 30-year and 10-year swap rate,&#8221; Liverance said. &#8220;This is a phenomenon that has happened before and I would not read any credit related issues into it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just a small relief before the storm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or just a small relief before the storm?</p>
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