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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/another-bad-day-dawns-in-asia.html#comment-25780</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the DOW index prior to 1978 (when I believe that the 401k concept was introduced)- nothing much was happening. It took about four years after the 401k introduction for the effects to be felt and the DOW started bucking trends and rising steadily. If we returned to pre-1978 investment trends the DOW would still be at 1000 to 2000 (unrealistic); if we projected the early years of the 401k, the DOW would be at 8000. Maybe the value of the DOW is falling back to represent the projection from those early years of the 401k- when workers had a modest presence in the markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the DOW index prior to 1978 (when I believe that the 401k concept was introduced)- nothing much was happening. It took about four years after the 401k introduction for the effects to be felt and the DOW started bucking trends and rising steadily. If we returned to pre-1978 investment trends the DOW would still be at 1000 to 2000 (unrealistic); if we projected the early years of the 401k, the DOW would be at 8000. Maybe the value of the DOW is falling back to represent the projection from those early years of the 401k- when workers had a modest presence in the markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulson is really only working with $250 billion; the $100B extra is with Prez approval. Several members of Congress have expressed their belief that there won&#039;t be an attempt to approve the remaining $350 available until after Obama takes over. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paulson is trying to stoke up private capital to make deals with the government. That was the idea all along, but everyone is waiting for the handout money to stop flowing before private capital can assess the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulson is really only working with $250 billion; the $100B extra is with Prez approval. Several members of Congress have expressed their belief that there won&#8217;t be an attempt to approve the remaining $350 available until after Obama takes over. </p>
<p>Paulson is trying to stoke up private capital to make deals with the government. That was the idea all along, but everyone is waiting for the handout money to stop flowing before private capital can assess the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intel drops the bomb!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;It is getting pretty bad. Read this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;computer/tech industry hit hard. layoffs are already announced. The worse is to come. stock are also hit hard.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;details below:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.marketwarnings.com/2008/11/intc-stock-intel-earnings-will-be-below.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intel drops the bomb!</p>
<p>&#8220;It is getting pretty bad. Read this.</p>
<p>computer/tech industry hit hard. layoffs are already announced. The worse is to come. stock are also hit hard.</p>
<p>details below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwarnings.com/2008/11/intc-stock-intel-earnings-will-be-below.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwarnings.com/2008/11/intc-stock-intel-earnings-will-be-below.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: john bougearel</title>
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		<dc:creator>john bougearel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yves&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Back to the other reasons the market is tanking&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider this: GM&#039;s Death rattle is unnerving investors.Senator’s Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and Mikulsi, amongst others are attempting a rescue of GM and other automakers. If GM goes under, 2.5 million auto-related jobs will be at risk, so it is a very big deal. Auto workers are far more deserving than WS executives are of their bonuses! Do auto workers deserve a break, assuredly they do. (But when Barney Frank says “the consequences of not doing it [a taxpayer bailout] will be far worse,” I personally would like to take Frank out behind the barn and him out of our misery. At the very least a muzzle over that trap of his would be a nice start). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will GM and the other auto-makers get a bailout package? Don’t know. GM says it will run out of operating cash by year-end without it. The Democrats may push legislation through the house, but the minority Republicans can stall legislation through endless debate. White House spokesman added “Chairman Frank doesn’t speak for the White House.” Meanwhile, Paulson is noodling how to redirect the focus of his failing TARP to something other than the troubled assets it was originally intended for. “Buying illiquid mortgage-related assets is no longer being considered,” said Paulson. Well, Paulson may be learning, but he is still lost, and while he is lost, he is apparently not leaning towards supporting the Democratic push to save GM. In fact, Bloomberg reports he is resisting pressure from the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yves</p>
<p>&#8220;Back to the other reasons the market is tanking&#8221; </p>
<p>Consider this: GM&#8217;s Death rattle is unnerving investors.Senator’s Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and Mikulsi, amongst others are attempting a rescue of GM and other automakers. If GM goes under, 2.5 million auto-related jobs will be at risk, so it is a very big deal. Auto workers are far more deserving than WS executives are of their bonuses! Do auto workers deserve a break, assuredly they do. (But when Barney Frank says “the consequences of not doing it [a taxpayer bailout] will be far worse,” I personally would like to take Frank out behind the barn and him out of our misery. At the very least a muzzle over that trap of his would be a nice start). </p>
<p>Will GM and the other auto-makers get a bailout package? Don’t know. GM says it will run out of operating cash by year-end without it. The Democrats may push legislation through the house, but the minority Republicans can stall legislation through endless debate. White House spokesman added “Chairman Frank doesn’t speak for the White House.” Meanwhile, Paulson is noodling how to redirect the focus of his failing TARP to something other than the troubled assets it was originally intended for. “Buying illiquid mortgage-related assets is no longer being considered,” said Paulson. Well, Paulson may be learning, but he is still lost, and while he is lost, he is apparently not leaning towards supporting the Democratic push to save GM. In fact, Bloomberg reports he is resisting pressure from the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get ready to test the Dow Jones bottom again.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sick of everyone saying we are at the bottom, you don&#039;t know you are at the bottom until the real economy actually starts recovering.  If we fall below 8000 idiots will start calling 7500 the new bottom, then if we fall below that 7000 will be the bottom.  You can&#039;t call a bottom in a dynamic economy where companies keep their earnings information and job plans secret until their quarterly reports and the government is running around with barrels of money but with no idea where to drop them off.  Imperfect information means anyone who tells you we have hit bottom is a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get ready to test the Dow Jones bottom again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick of everyone saying we are at the bottom, you don&#8217;t know you are at the bottom until the real economy actually starts recovering.  If we fall below 8000 idiots will start calling 7500 the new bottom, then if we fall below that 7000 will be the bottom.  You can&#8217;t call a bottom in a dynamic economy where companies keep their earnings information and job plans secret until their quarterly reports and the government is running around with barrels of money but with no idea where to drop them off.  Imperfect information means anyone who tells you we have hit bottom is a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yves&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Was just reading about this on another website. G20 will be just a photo opp to pacify general populations, where is reality its every dog for them selves(trade wars).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Skippy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yves</p>
<p>Was just reading about this on another website. G20 will be just a photo opp to pacify general populations, where is reality its every dog for them selves(trade wars).</p>
<p>Skippy</p>
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