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		<title>By: Duncan Echelson</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/credit-card-crunch-casualty-small.html#comment-27768</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Echelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I know is:  the government put $25b in Wells Fargo and Wells cut my credit line in half and is charging me the same annual fee.  So for me, the attempt to keep the credit flowing is a flop so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I know is:  the government put $25b in Wells Fargo and Wells cut my credit line in half and is charging me the same annual fee.  So for me, the attempt to keep the credit flowing is a flop so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SBA is not helping matters any for small businesses. I personally know of one business that applied for an SBA disaster loan as a result of Hurricane Ike in Houston. The business lost power for 2 weeks and was unable to open or was open for limited hours. Business revenues had declined over the last year due to the economic issues. The SBA denied the loan due to cash flow concerns. They admitted that the business had good credit, paid bills on time, etc. but simply stated that they were a cash flow lender.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What part of disaster do they not understand? What choice does a small business have but to then turn to credit cards for funding? If the government can bail out the big guys, how about putting up something for the small ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SBA is not helping matters any for small businesses. I personally know of one business that applied for an SBA disaster loan as a result of Hurricane Ike in Houston. The business lost power for 2 weeks and was unable to open or was open for limited hours. Business revenues had declined over the last year due to the economic issues. The SBA denied the loan due to cash flow concerns. They admitted that the business had good credit, paid bills on time, etc. but simply stated that they were a cash flow lender.</p>
<p>What part of disaster do they not understand? What choice does a small business have but to then turn to credit cards for funding? If the government can bail out the big guys, how about putting up something for the small ones?</p>
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		<title>By: OutsideTheBox</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/credit-card-crunch-casualty-small.html#comment-27755</link>
		<dc:creator>OutsideTheBox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective on things.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The dependency on the drug &quot;credit&quot; is more widespread than I initially thought.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The more I watch this &#039;credit crunch&#039; debacle the more I am becoming convinced of the utter needlessness and harm involved in *any* credit entanglement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What credit is, is a replacement for an enterprise having its own capital.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So this enterprise then involves a middleman, a creditor, who may or may not have what the enterprise has now come to *need to survive* ... and/or may or may not be willing to provide it to the enterprise.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sort of like a human becomes addicted to an opiate, and cannot even function without their &#039;fix&#039;. (And might one say that lately markets have been convulsing some?)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The use of credit to supplant what is otherwise simply prudent self-financing is a stupid, risky thing to do!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So as we now observe the credit markets in spasm - do we administer methadone-flavoured financial aid via State Handouts, or do we do a cold-turkey/hard-break and get off the Stuff?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d wager we, as a society, don&#039;t learn the lesson ... we won&#039;t until the consequences become truly grave enough.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Haven&#039;t owned a credit card in nearly 20 years).&lt;br/&gt;=-=-=-=-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other aspect of the biggie US banks collapsing, that I&#039;ve not seen mentioned, is: looking back was it such a good idea to let these banks get so big that the entire nation was now dependent on their continued solvency?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That too seems to be a needless introduction of risk to a nation&#039;s financial stability. (Never mind that the few remaining stable banks are buying up the unstable ones, further exacerbating the concentration problem.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder if that issue will come up at the next competition-hearings, for the next monster merger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective on things.</p>
<p>The dependency on the drug &#8220;credit&#8221; is more widespread than I initially thought.</p>
<p>The more I watch this &#8216;credit crunch&#8217; debacle the more I am becoming convinced of the utter needlessness and harm involved in *any* credit entanglement.</p>
<p>What credit is, is a replacement for an enterprise having its own capital.</p>
<p>So this enterprise then involves a middleman, a creditor, who may or may not have what the enterprise has now come to *need to survive* &#8230; and/or may or may not be willing to provide it to the enterprise.</p>
<p>Sort of like a human becomes addicted to an opiate, and cannot even function without their &#8216;fix&#8217;. (And might one say that lately markets have been convulsing some?)</p>
<p>The use of credit to supplant what is otherwise simply prudent self-financing is a stupid, risky thing to do!</p>
<p>So as we now observe the credit markets in spasm &#8211; do we administer methadone-flavoured financial aid via State Handouts, or do we do a cold-turkey/hard-break and get off the Stuff?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wager we, as a society, don&#8217;t learn the lesson &#8230; we won&#8217;t until the consequences become truly grave enough.</p>
<p>(Haven&#8217;t owned a credit card in nearly 20 years).<br />=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>The other aspect of the biggie US banks collapsing, that I&#8217;ve not seen mentioned, is: looking back was it such a good idea to let these banks get so big that the entire nation was now dependent on their continued solvency?</p>
<p>That too seems to be a needless introduction of risk to a nation&#8217;s financial stability. (Never mind that the few remaining stable banks are buying up the unstable ones, further exacerbating the concentration problem.)</p>
<p>I wonder if that issue will come up at the next competition-hearings, for the next monster merger.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith Whitney has an article in the Financial Times covering a similar aspect entitled America must keep consumer liquidity flowing. Whilst Meredith is talking mainly about consumer credit cards it is not much of a stretch to extend the thinking to small business credit cards. Here estimate that 90 percent of people use the cards as cash-flow management vehicles, or revolve payments at least once a year is quite frankly frightening. Meredith states that she is more bearish today than she has been in the past 18 months and proposes a methadone-clinic-style rehabilitation rather than a cold turkey approach to credit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem is that this implies the prudent must bailout the imprudent. It is worth noting that Michael Geoghegan’s the chief executive of HSBC (a bank who have had no bailouts) says state-sponsored bail-outs of western banks risk rewarding management teams for failure. Running your business with so little cash that you need to use credit cards quite clearly shows bad management. The credit crisis has been running for over a year and for management not to have taken steps to limit their exposure to credit being withdrawn is irresponsible. From a jobs point of view I sympathize with Meredith’s view but someone has to stump up the cash to lend to these businesses and that has to ultimately be the tax payer. Lets let our children pay the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith Whitney has an article in the Financial Times covering a similar aspect entitled America must keep consumer liquidity flowing. Whilst Meredith is talking mainly about consumer credit cards it is not much of a stretch to extend the thinking to small business credit cards. Here estimate that 90 percent of people use the cards as cash-flow management vehicles, or revolve payments at least once a year is quite frankly frightening. Meredith states that she is more bearish today than she has been in the past 18 months and proposes a methadone-clinic-style rehabilitation rather than a cold turkey approach to credit.</p>
<p>The problem is that this implies the prudent must bailout the imprudent. It is worth noting that Michael Geoghegan’s the chief executive of HSBC (a bank who have had no bailouts) says state-sponsored bail-outs of western banks risk rewarding management teams for failure. Running your business with so little cash that you need to use credit cards quite clearly shows bad management. The credit crisis has been running for over a year and for management not to have taken steps to limit their exposure to credit being withdrawn is irresponsible. From a jobs point of view I sympathize with Meredith’s view but someone has to stump up the cash to lend to these businesses and that has to ultimately be the tax payer. Lets let our children pay the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I have it right, the Amex credit was cheaper than those checks those credit card companies send. They are either at a high rate or at a teaser for 6-9 months. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And all those business cards (and I assume the Amex products are the same) are guaranteed personally. Read the fine print. A real small business loan is not (or at least you can get ones that don&#039;t require that, but again you need to shop and read fine print).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have it right, the Amex credit was cheaper than those checks those credit card companies send. They are either at a high rate or at a teaser for 6-9 months. </p>
<p>And all those business cards (and I assume the Amex products are the same) are guaranteed personally. Read the fine print. A real small business loan is not (or at least you can get ones that don&#8217;t require that, but again you need to shop and read fine print).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Visa sends me one of those &#039;convenience checks&#039; every month in the hope I&#039;ll bite. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just wondering- if the credit is in the name of the corportation, not the individual, wouldn&#039;t they be in a worse situation in event of bankruptcty? I&#039;m not a lawyer, but there is that &#039;limited liablity&#039; thing, isn&#039;t there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Visa sends me one of those &#8216;convenience checks&#8217; every month in the hope I&#8217;ll bite. </p>
<p>Just wondering- if the credit is in the name of the corportation, not the individual, wouldn&#8217;t they be in a worse situation in event of bankruptcty? I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but there is that &#8216;limited liablity&#8217; thing, isn&#8217;t there?</p>
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		<title>By: ladderowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladderowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loan availability or not, entrepreneurs are now, and always will be, probing (sniffing really) the dark recesses of our economy.  All the while ferreting out opportunities.  Some will succeed many will fail.  Really? Nothing new.  EXCEPT, it is exactly these small businesses that will earn our hard earned capital, make new jobs and turn around this rusty old bus we call &quot;the economy&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let the greedy big corp slimeballs rot in hell.  Let their cronies sit in bread lines.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t climb the corporate ladder.  OWN IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loan availability or not, entrepreneurs are now, and always will be, probing (sniffing really) the dark recesses of our economy.  All the while ferreting out opportunities.  Some will succeed many will fail.  Really? Nothing new.  EXCEPT, it is exactly these small businesses that will earn our hard earned capital, make new jobs and turn around this rusty old bus we call &#8220;the economy&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let the greedy big corp slimeballs rot in hell.  Let their cronies sit in bread lines.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t climb the corporate ladder.  OWN IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29 yrs ago when i was in law school they did the same thing. volcker implemented reserve requirements requiring banks to post 10% reserves for all unsecured lines of credit. I had a gold Amex and it was $25 more than green and it said in the application you got a line of credit and how much you got was up to your ability but at least $2,000 was guaranteed. I threatened them with a class project in litigation cause if you PAY for a credit line its perfected and they cannot take it away if your circumstances havent changed. Read the fine print and call a lawyer. Don&#039;t be a chump (assuming you&#039;ve paid a fee to get a line of credit and you can establish some minimum you were promised).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29 yrs ago when i was in law school they did the same thing. volcker implemented reserve requirements requiring banks to post 10% reserves for all unsecured lines of credit. I had a gold Amex and it was $25 more than green and it said in the application you got a line of credit and how much you got was up to your ability but at least $2,000 was guaranteed. I threatened them with a class project in litigation cause if you PAY for a credit line its perfected and they cannot take it away if your circumstances havent changed. Read the fine print and call a lawyer. Don&#8217;t be a chump (assuming you&#8217;ve paid a fee to get a line of credit and you can establish some minimum you were promised).</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the $1.586 trillion in CP outstanding, $282 billion is currently held by the Fed, or roughly 18%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the $1.586 trillion in CP outstanding, $282 billion is currently held by the Fed, or roughly 18%.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly true, and it&#039;s something we&#039;re not seeing a lot of coverage of.  Just in my (small) businesses, we&#039;re definitely feeling the effects of a cash crunch - every business needs access to credit, and it is often that much more vital the smaller the business is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly true, and it&#8217;s something we&#8217;re not seeing a lot of coverage of.  Just in my (small) businesses, we&#8217;re definitely feeling the effects of a cash crunch &#8211; every business needs access to credit, and it is often that much more vital the smaller the business is.</p>
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