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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/fdic-problem-banks-reach-13-year-high.html#comment-27191</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO NDK!!!!  Nice comments.  I keep asking for scenarios or guesses on what event or events are going to stop the mighty whirlitzer?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is there a medical professional that wants to step out in front of a TV when this moment happens and give a prognosis of the patient?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would you like that popcorn with extra butter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO NDK!!!!  Nice comments.  I keep asking for scenarios or guesses on what event or events are going to stop the mighty whirlitzer?</p>
<p>Is there a medical professional that wants to step out in front of a TV when this moment happens and give a prognosis of the patient?</p>
<p>Would you like that popcorn with extra butter?</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/fdic-problem-banks-reach-13-year-high.html#comment-27187</link>
		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to dump this stream of consciousness here, but remember, guys, that&#039;s a record high, 50% higher than 2003!  As our GDP drops from recession, this will go up, unless the credit market contracts even faster.  We&#039;ll find out for sure with the next release, but &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/Current/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consumer credit isn&#039;t contracting at all yet&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/Current/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;M2 is still growing&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Guys, we haven&#039;t even started to deleverage yet in the official metrics.  This is just the pain of deceleration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to dump this stream of consciousness here, but remember, guys, that&#8217;s a record high, 50% higher than 2003!  As our GDP drops from recession, this will go up, unless the credit market contracts even faster.  We&#8217;ll find out for sure with the next release, but <a HREF="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/Current/" REL="nofollow">consumer credit isn&#8217;t contracting at all yet</a>.  <a HREF="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/Current/" REL="nofollow">M2 is still growing</a>.</p>
<p>Guys, we haven&#8217;t even started to deleverage yet in the official metrics.  This is just the pain of deceleration.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we just made ugly approximates of 20 year amortization on that debt and 5% interest, 18.5% of our GDP is allocated to debt service.  It&#039;s pretty close to our FOR.  Yes, I know you can&#039;t just think of it like that on a national scale, but still -- wow.  Any small increase in real interest rates paid will just cream us on that kind of multiplier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we just made ugly approximates of 20 year amortization on that debt and 5% interest, 18.5% of our GDP is allocated to debt service.  It&#8217;s pretty close to our FOR.  Yes, I know you can&#8217;t just think of it like that on a national scale, but still &#8212; wow.  Any small increase in real interest rates paid will just cream us on that kind of multiplier.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, and I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ll believe this number, but using most recent numbers, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/accessible/l1.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;total credit outstanding in 2008Q2&lt;/a&gt;, which neglects much of the recent debt guarantee activity, divided by &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2008Q3 preliminary GDP&lt;/a&gt; yields a debt-to-GDP ratio of &lt;i&gt;353.8%&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, and I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ll believe this number, but using most recent numbers, <a HREF="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/accessible/l1.htm" REL="nofollow">total credit outstanding in 2008Q2</a>, which neglects much of the recent debt guarantee activity, divided by <a HREF="http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm" REL="nofollow">2008Q3 preliminary GDP</a> yields a debt-to-GDP ratio of <i>353.8%</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Citi will recapitalize:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We just got one of those boilerplate letters in the mail with the monthly Citi mastercard bill.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;We are changing your Card Agreement....We are changing the following sections regarding APRs:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Default APR.  The default APR equals the greater of (1) the Libor Rate plus up to 26.99% or (2) up to 29.99%.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeehah!  Give&#039;em another $20billion, Hank &amp; Timmy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How Citi will recapitalize:</p>
<p>We just got one of those boilerplate letters in the mail with the monthly Citi mastercard bill.</p>
<p>&quot;We are changing your Card Agreement&#8230;.We are changing the following sections regarding APRs:</p>
<p>Default APR.  The default APR equals the greater of (1) the Libor Rate plus up to 26.99% or (2) up to 29.99%.</p>
<p>Yeehah!  Give&#39;em another $20billion, Hank &amp; Timmy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yves again. Translation: Things are sure to get worse in 2009.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But, but, but I was watching CNBC Closing Bell and I heard a guest saying that we were in the 7th inning of a 9 inning ballgame!  Sounds like things are going to get better from here on out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[rolol]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yves again. Translation: Things are sure to get worse in 2009.</i></p>
<p>But, but, but I was watching CNBC Closing Bell and I heard a guest saying that we were in the 7th inning of a 9 inning ballgame!  Sounds like things are going to get better from here on out.</p>
<p>[rolol]</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooops, for got his other link, which is nice:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-bondbnchmrk.html?mod=topnav_2_3000&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lots of nice expanding spreads for junk yields, and IMHO, this goes back to a thing I posted here about a month ago:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From Yves meets Doc link:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hussman Sees Trouble Ahead&lt;br/&gt;http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-ticker/2008/08/26/hussman-sees-trouble-ahead.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Years ago, Larry Williams used to look for a situation he called the &quot;Jaws of Death&quot;—noting that when bond prices were weakening but stock prices were strengthening, the two differing trends opened a set of &quot;jaws&quot; that tended to snap shut, usually due to abrupt weakness in stocks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He points to expectations for lower volatility in the stock market (measured by the VIX index) at a time when credit markets are getting more worried. See the chart below:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those jaws could be setting markets up for a tough reckoning. Let&#039;s give Hussman the last word:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In short, the markets are presently trading on a theme that largely overlooks the potential (and in my view, the reality) of a significant U.S. recession. At the point of recognition, we may very well observe abrupt weakness in both stock prices and the U.S. dollar.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/fannie-freddie-sale-goes-well.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Over and out, copy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooops, for got his other link, which is nice:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-bondbnchmrk.html?mod=topnav_2_3000" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-bondbnchmrk.html?mod=topnav_2_3000</a></p>
<p>Lots of nice expanding spreads for junk yields, and IMHO, this goes back to a thing I posted here about a month ago:</p>
<p>From Yves meets Doc link:</p>
<p>Hussman Sees Trouble Ahead<br /><a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-ticker/2008/08/26/hussman-sees-trouble-ahead.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-ticker/2008/08/26/hussman-sees-trouble-ahead.html</a></p>
<p>Years ago, Larry Williams used to look for a situation he called the &#8220;Jaws of Death&#8221;—noting that when bond prices were weakening but stock prices were strengthening, the two differing trends opened a set of &#8220;jaws&#8221; that tended to snap shut, usually due to abrupt weakness in stocks.</p>
<p>He points to expectations for lower volatility in the stock market (measured by the VIX index) at a time when credit markets are getting more worried. See the chart below:</p>
<p>Those jaws could be setting markets up for a tough reckoning. Let&#8217;s give Hussman the last word:</p>
<p>In short, the markets are presently trading on a theme that largely overlooks the potential (and in my view, the reality) of a significant U.S. recession. At the point of recognition, we may very well observe abrupt weakness in both stock prices and the U.S. dollar.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/fannie-freddie-sale-goes-well.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/08/fannie-freddie-sale-goes-well.html</a></p>
<p>Over and out, copy?</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday freaks out</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc holiday freaks out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10-yr Treasury Freaks Out Doc&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ETNX&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Days range = 3.058 - 3.264&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for as 10-year treasury Constant Maturity, the range we are in now, goes back yield wise to about June 1958 and a period of low yields that go back beyond 1953:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/fedbog/tcm10y&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What does it imply?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DGS10&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;  Paul Krugman says:&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t panic about the stock market...Panic about the credit markets instead. Interest rate on 3-month Treasuries at 0.02%; interest rate on high-yield (junk) bonds over 20%.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/dont-panic-about-the-stock-market/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The 30-year yield tumbled 46 basis points to 3.46 percent, the biggest drop on record. The yield is the lowest since regular sales started in 1977. Yields on five-year notes declined to 1.88 percent, not seen since 1954, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and the Fed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Direct Correlation&lt;br/&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aSQiBCOuoGGM&amp;refer=home&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Standard &amp; Poor’s 500 extended its 2008 tumble to 49 percent, poised for the worst annual decline in its 80-year history. The S&amp;P declined 6.7 percent to 752.44.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Bond yields, we feel, are somewhat distorted by what’s happening in the derivatives market,” said Chris Ahrens, an interest-rate strategist at UBS Securities LLC in Greenwich, Connecticut, one of 17 primary dealers that trade with the Fed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Changing the terms of the TARP as suddenly as he did undermined investor confidence,” said Richard Schlanger, a bond fund manager in Boston at Pioneer Investments, which oversees $44 billion. “It’s a frightening situation.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“You have the cloak of a declining inflationary environment,” said Tom Tucci, head of U.S. government bond trading in New York at RBC Capital Markets, the investment- banking arm of Canada’s biggest lender. “People are denying it, but we are mirroring the whole Japanese situation and if that’s the case interest rates are going to go a lot lower.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;&gt;  On topic, will this add to FDIC failures  --  yah think???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10-yr Treasury Freaks Out Doc</p>
<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ETNX" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5ETNX</a></p>
<p>Days range = 3.058 &#8211; 3.264</p>
<p>As for as 10-year treasury Constant Maturity, the range we are in now, goes back yield wise to about June 1958 and a period of low yields that go back beyond 1953:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/fedbog/tcm10y" rel="nofollow">http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/fedbog/tcm10y</a></p>
<p>What does it imply?</p>
<p><a href="http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DGS10" rel="nofollow">http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/DGS10</a></p>
<p>&gt;  Paul Krugman says:<br />Don&#39;t panic about the stock market&#8230;Panic about the credit markets instead. Interest rate on 3-month Treasuries at 0.02%; interest rate on high-yield (junk) bonds over 20%.</p>
<p><a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/dont-panic-about-the-stock-market/" rel="nofollow">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/dont-panic-about-the-stock-market/</a></p>
<p>The 30-year yield tumbled 46 basis points to 3.46 percent, the biggest drop on record. The yield is the lowest since regular sales started in 1977. Yields on five-year notes declined to 1.88 percent, not seen since 1954, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and the Fed.</p>
<p>Direct Correlation<br /><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aSQiBCOuoGGM&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aSQiBCOuoGGM&amp;refer=home</a></p>
<p>The Standard &amp; Poor’s 500 extended its 2008 tumble to 49 percent, poised for the worst annual decline in its 80-year history. The S&amp;P declined 6.7 percent to 752.44.</p>
<p>“Bond yields, we feel, are somewhat distorted by what’s happening in the derivatives market,” said Chris Ahrens, an interest-rate strategist at UBS Securities LLC in Greenwich, Connecticut, one of 17 primary dealers that trade with the Fed.</p>
<p>“Changing the terms of the TARP as suddenly as he did undermined investor confidence,” said Richard Schlanger, a bond fund manager in Boston at Pioneer Investments, which oversees $44 billion. “It’s a frightening situation.”</p>
<p>“You have the cloak of a declining inflationary environment,” said Tom Tucci, head of U.S. government bond trading in New York at RBC Capital Markets, the investment- banking arm of Canada’s biggest lender. “People are denying it, but we are mirroring the whole Japanese situation and if that’s the case interest rates are going to go a lot lower.”</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;  On topic, will this add to FDIC failures  &#8212;  yah think???</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FDIC list is backward-looking, because it relies on Call Reports. The actual condition of a bank is revealed during exams. And in the last crisis, large numbers of banks not on the list failed on short notice as the result of examiners reclassifying assets and (quite often) finding evidence of fraud, particularly in commercial real estate lending. In other words, the FDIC list is a poor predictor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FDIC list is backward-looking, because it relies on Call Reports. The actual condition of a bank is revealed during exams. And in the last crisis, large numbers of banks not on the list failed on short notice as the result of examiners reclassifying assets and (quite often) finding evidence of fraud, particularly in commercial real estate lending. In other words, the FDIC list is a poor predictor.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting OT:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Neal, we&#039;re out of propane!&quot; I figured he was experiencing personal financial stress and I offered some consolation. &quot;No, we&#039;re out! Everybody&#039;s out … all three elevators in the area can&#039;t get fuel to dry the corn crop.&quot; Their crop is coming in wet this year, 22% moisture as opposed to the more normal 18%, and it must be dried to 13% or 14% for storage no propane at this time of year means crops left standing in the field overwinter with the hopes of harvesting in spring. Today I happened to talk to one of the staffers who works for Steve King, IA-05&#039;s Congressman, and he confirmed that this is a systemic problem – a friend in the region with a propane business is running trucks all over to get enough fuel for the elevators they service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting OT:</p>
<p>&#8220;Neal, we&#8217;re out of propane!&#8221; I figured he was experiencing personal financial stress and I offered some consolation. &#8220;No, we&#8217;re out! Everybody&#8217;s out … all three elevators in the area can&#8217;t get fuel to dry the corn crop.&#8221; Their crop is coming in wet this year, 22% moisture as opposed to the more normal 18%, and it must be dried to 13% or 14% for storage no propane at this time of year means crops left standing in the field overwinter with the hopes of harvesting in spring. Today I happened to talk to one of the staffers who works for Steve King, IA-05&#8217;s Congressman, and he confirmed that this is a systemic problem – a friend in the region with a propane business is running trucks all over to get enough fuel for the elevators they service.</p>
<p><a href="http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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