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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/improvement-in-libor-overstates-credit.html#comment-24527</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm we stand here at the crossroads, which path will we take and can we see all the paths out of these dark woods? I personally don&#039;t think the market will survive in its currant format as its likened to a computer with out firewalls and on a global scale. Do we really want the system to survive in its currant state? I fear an Easter Island event down the road (20 to 50 years) the way things are going. As you can tell I&#039;m a fan of Jarred Diamond&#039;s works, hope he&#039;s wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm we stand here at the crossroads, which path will we take and can we see all the paths out of these dark woods? I personally don&#8217;t think the market will survive in its currant format as its likened to a computer with out firewalls and on a global scale. Do we really want the system to survive in its currant state? I fear an Easter Island event down the road (20 to 50 years) the way things are going. As you can tell I&#8217;m a fan of Jarred Diamond&#8217;s works, hope he&#8217;s wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/improvement-in-libor-overstates-credit.html#comment-24520</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are they buying time for and until you might ask with this Novocain to the markets? The reality seems to be that the bastards are mainlining the money straight into their personal bank accounts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where is the trust that the financial system is suppose to be based on?  Has it sunk in yet how gamed the system is?  Enrichment of the elites and theocratic fascism for a political scheme.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is America?  Obama is going to do what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are they buying time for and until you might ask with this Novocain to the markets? The reality seems to be that the bastards are mainlining the money straight into their personal bank accounts.</p>
<p>Where is the trust that the financial system is suppose to be based on?  Has it sunk in yet how gamed the system is?  Enrichment of the elites and theocratic fascism for a political scheme.</p>
<p>This is America?  Obama is going to do what?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/improvement-in-libor-overstates-credit.html#comment-24466</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A healthy economy has healthy looking credit markets.  The PTB have taken this little fact and turned it on its head.  They are hell bent to create the &quot;numbers&quot; that would indicate a healty credit markets- a lower libor, lower spreads, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They are attempting to reverse engineer a healthy credit market by controlling the indicators- totally absurd!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A healthy economy has healthy looking credit markets.  The PTB have taken this little fact and turned it on its head.  They are hell bent to create the &#8220;numbers&#8221; that would indicate a healty credit markets- a lower libor, lower spreads, etc.</p>
<p>They are attempting to reverse engineer a healthy credit market by controlling the indicators- totally absurd!</p>
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		<title>By: doc holiday</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/improvement-in-libor-overstates-credit.html#comment-24462</link>
		<dc:creator>doc holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  .. Government bailouts totaling about $3 trillion, interest- rate cuts around the world ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll repeat my earlier post:  Through the first 10 months of 2008, world markets have lost about $16.22 trillion, according to S&amp;P research. Furthermore, the size of the world stock market was estimated at about $60.9 trillion USD at the end of 2007, thus the loss of almost a third of global sharevalue is a wakeup call for global financial systemic failure. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&gt;  The &quot;bailout&quot; is not in proportion to the problem and the overhang of derivatives is like a tsunami of expensive and difficult debt that will wipe out many countries.  Perhaps The Obama folks will shut down the Chicago derivative casino  --  but I doubt it and unfortunately, the derivative casino may shut down Obama and America.  I&#039;d like to be wrong on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  .. Government bailouts totaling about $3 trillion, interest- rate cuts around the world &#8230;</p>
<p>I&#39;ll repeat my earlier post:  Through the first 10 months of 2008, world markets have lost about $16.22 trillion, according to S&amp;P research. Furthermore, the size of the world stock market was estimated at about $60.9 trillion USD at the end of 2007, thus the loss of almost a third of global sharevalue is a wakeup call for global financial systemic failure. </p>
<p>&gt;  The &quot;bailout&quot; is not in proportion to the problem and the overhang of derivatives is like a tsunami of expensive and difficult debt that will wipe out many countries.  Perhaps The Obama folks will shut down the Chicago derivative casino  &#8212;  but I doubt it and unfortunately, the derivative casino may shut down Obama and America.  I&#39;d like to be wrong on that!</p>
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		<title>By: Avl Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/improvement-in-libor-overstates-credit.html#comment-24447</link>
		<dc:creator>Avl Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be too glib but I must paraphrase an endearing comment from the 1992 elections: &lt;br/&gt;&quot;It&#039;s the (un)creditworthiness, Stupid!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know many non-biz journalists have been re-assigned to write on the Debt Unwind crisis, but how do you write about lending contraction and not raise the issue of creditworthiness?  How do you assemble so many quotes and stats on declining economic prospects and not tie it to over-capacity and over-supply which diminishes the viability of new deals?  How do you not tie it to over-leveraged and weakened borrowers with deteriorating creditworthiness?&lt;br/&gt;How?&lt;br/&gt;It’s not just this piece; these creditworthiness oversights have been rampant in biz journalism since September when Paulson/Bernanke concocted that plan to buy troubled assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be too glib but I must paraphrase an endearing comment from the 1992 elections: <br />&#8220;It&#8217;s the (un)creditworthiness, Stupid!&#8221;</p>
<p>I know many non-biz journalists have been re-assigned to write on the Debt Unwind crisis, but how do you write about lending contraction and not raise the issue of creditworthiness?  How do you assemble so many quotes and stats on declining economic prospects and not tie it to over-capacity and over-supply which diminishes the viability of new deals?  How do you not tie it to over-leveraged and weakened borrowers with deteriorating creditworthiness?<br />How?<br />It’s not just this piece; these creditworthiness oversights have been rampant in biz journalism since September when Paulson/Bernanke concocted that plan to buy troubled assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the treasurer for a large CRE company, I can make it very simple.  My banking contacts, including those at JPM and elsewhere, state that the lack of lending is just as much about credit risk.  They are just see a dearth of lending opportunities out there where they are comfortable underwriting the risk.  And it is also important to note that while my little corner of the world is CRE, the comments I am hearing are macro in scope.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So right now, while all the focus is on central bank, interbank and money market lending and credit measures--all of which might be the &quot;heart&quot; of the system, one can&#039;t focus, that while the heart has now been defibrillated, blood is not flowing to the extremities.  There has been zero improvement in &quot;main street&quot; lending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the treasurer for a large CRE company, I can make it very simple.  My banking contacts, including those at JPM and elsewhere, state that the lack of lending is just as much about credit risk.  They are just see a dearth of lending opportunities out there where they are comfortable underwriting the risk.  And it is also important to note that while my little corner of the world is CRE, the comments I am hearing are macro in scope.  </p>
<p>So right now, while all the focus is on central bank, interbank and money market lending and credit measures&#8211;all of which might be the &#8220;heart&#8221; of the system, one can&#8217;t focus, that while the heart has now been defibrillated, blood is not flowing to the extremities.  There has been zero improvement in &#8220;main street&#8221; lending.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas j</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could anyone possibly believe that monetary authorities acting to artificially suppress Libor rates and, thereby, lower the end rates that lenders can ultimately charge borrowers will actually lead to more lending?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The more rates go down the less incentive lenders have to lend money to increasingly uncreditworthy borrowers because lenders are not being adequately compensated for the risks they are taking on with artificially suppressed rates in the current deflationary environment. The central banks apparently won&#039;t be satisfied until they are the only banks willing to lend out money. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;d think these guys would have learned their lesson by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could anyone possibly believe that monetary authorities acting to artificially suppress Libor rates and, thereby, lower the end rates that lenders can ultimately charge borrowers will actually lead to more lending?</p>
<p>The more rates go down the less incentive lenders have to lend money to increasingly uncreditworthy borrowers because lenders are not being adequately compensated for the risks they are taking on with artificially suppressed rates in the current deflationary environment. The central banks apparently won&#8217;t be satisfied until they are the only banks willing to lend out money. </p>
<p>You&#8217;d think these guys would have learned their lesson by now.</p>
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