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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US is just Matt Demon!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Demon!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Demon!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It never listens to voices of the rest of the world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Demon!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Go and do it in your way. But in the near future, no one wants to trade in the dollar...Just you!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Demom!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US is just Matt Demon!</p>
<p>Matt Demon!</p>
<p>Matt Demon!</p>
<p>It never listens to voices of the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Matt Demon!</p>
<p>Go and do it in your way. But in the near future, no one wants to trade in the dollar&#8230;Just you!</p>
<p>Matt Demom!!</p>
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		<title>By: aj2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>aj2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the USD is going higher&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Assumption: 50-60% foreign participation in treasury securities must abate...&lt;br/&gt;   Response: Why? what other asset that central banks own has performed nearly as well? Why are they selling? What are they buying instead?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Assumption: $1.5-$2trn in treasury issuance will overwhelm demand...&lt;br/&gt;   Response: Capital markets are CLOSED...Corp issuance and pvt mkts are shut (how many non IG-credits are pricing?) so capital allocated to fixed income will move accordingly..&lt;br/&gt;3. Improvement in crude component of CA deficit worth about $450bn at $50 vs $150 oil&lt;br/&gt;4. The US consumer DID save at one time and will do so again. Losing your home (and tighter credit + lighter 401k) will do it&lt;br/&gt;5.How many who disparage the USD predicted it&#039;s recent rise? In my world, those who are consistenly wrong get eliminated (unless you&#039;re Abby Joseph Cohen)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the USD is going higher</p>
<p>1. Assumption: 50-60% foreign participation in treasury securities must abate&#8230;<br />   Response: Why? what other asset that central banks own has performed nearly as well? Why are they selling? What are they buying instead?</p>
<p>2. Assumption: $1.5-$2trn in treasury issuance will overwhelm demand&#8230;<br />   Response: Capital markets are CLOSED&#8230;Corp issuance and pvt mkts are shut (how many non IG-credits are pricing?) so capital allocated to fixed income will move accordingly..<br />3. Improvement in crude component of CA deficit worth about $450bn at $50 vs $150 oil<br />4. The US consumer DID save at one time and will do so again. Losing your home (and tighter credit + lighter 401k) will do it<br />5.How many who disparage the USD predicted it&#8217;s recent rise? In my world, those who are consistenly wrong get eliminated (unless you&#8217;re Abby Joseph Cohen)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikkei down over 4 percent right now... More to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikkei down over 4 percent right now&#8230; More to come?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;it would be suicide for Japanese to let US issue in JPY. they have already trouble to issue their own debt &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ummm... 30 year Japanese bonds are yielding 2%.  They are having difficulty issuing debt?  I wish I could borrow at 2%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it would be suicide for Japanese to let US issue in JPY. they have already trouble to issue their own debt </i></p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; 30 year Japanese bonds are yielding 2%.  They are having difficulty issuing debt?  I wish I could borrow at 2%.</p>
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		<title>By: K_Yew</title>
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		<dc:creator>K_Yew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another case of OCM--Other Countries&#039; Money.  We are selling out our future because we cannot delay gratification: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another case of OCM&#8211;Other Countries&#8217; Money.  We are selling out our future because we cannot delay gratification: </p>
<p><a href="http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ruetheday said... &lt;br/&gt;The Japanese could go nuclear next week, thus I wouldn&#039;t overplay the value of the US security blanket. There have been vocal calls for a more active defense, witness the JDF patrols of Korean fishing boats, the tussle with China over the islands and the participation debate in Afghan/Iraq. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How do the Fed swaps play into this? ed has put massive swap lines in place and has said that this could become a permanent fixture. Might this be used as the hose to wash the money through? Like a big money laundering oepration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for Mis and the banks arbitrage. This sounds like the same argument peopl;e made in 2006 as for why house prices will not go down. indeed there was a HArvard chap who wriote it was becasue of regulatory arbitrage. The treasuryt market is to 2008 what subprime was to late 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ruetheday said&#8230; <br />The Japanese could go nuclear next week, thus I wouldn&#8217;t overplay the value of the US security blanket. There have been vocal calls for a more active defense, witness the JDF patrols of Korean fishing boats, the tussle with China over the islands and the participation debate in Afghan/Iraq. </p>
<p>Yves,</p>
<p>How do the Fed swaps play into this? ed has put massive swap lines in place and has said that this could become a permanent fixture. Might this be used as the hose to wash the money through? Like a big money laundering oepration.</p>
<p>As for Mis and the banks arbitrage. This sounds like the same argument peopl;e made in 2006 as for why house prices will not go down. indeed there was a HArvard chap who wriote it was becasue of regulatory arbitrage. The treasuryt market is to 2008 what subprime was to late 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19:16 USD/JPY: Trades Lower After Minutes New York, November 19th. USD/JPY has traded through its low of the day after Fed minutes projected a 2009 growth rate of -0.2% to 1.1% and unemployment rising to 7.1% and 7.6%. This mixed with headlines that the equity markets have not reacted as sharply but banks and commodity stocks are lower. The ten-year yields are trading sharply lower with talk of central bank demand. Rumors are that the Fed is buying the long-end of the curve in order to get mortgage rates lower. USD/JPY is trading 96.10. Robert.Fullem@ThomsonReuters.com /rd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19:16 USD/JPY: Trades Lower After Minutes New York, November 19th. USD/JPY has traded through its low of the day after Fed minutes projected a 2009 growth rate of -0.2% to 1.1% and unemployment rising to 7.1% and 7.6%. This mixed with headlines that the equity markets have not reacted as sharply but banks and commodity stocks are lower. The ten-year yields are trading sharply lower with talk of central bank demand. Rumors are that the Fed is buying the long-end of the curve in order to get mortgage rates lower. USD/JPY is trading 96.10. <a href="mailto:Robert.Fullem@ThomsonReuters.com">Robert.Fullem@ThomsonReuters.com</a> /rd</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
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		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another front, someone from Saxobank suggests Chinese RMB will be another &quot;hard currency,&quot; at least in &quot;north-south corridor of internal Asia.&quot; Another possible huge development.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/11/19/18438/the-great-currency-of-china/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another front, someone from Saxobank suggests Chinese RMB will be another &#8220;hard currency,&#8221; at least in &#8220;north-south corridor of internal Asia.&#8221; Another possible huge development.</p>
<p><a href="http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/11/19/18438/the-great-currency-of-china/" rel="nofollow">http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/11/19/18438/the-great-currency-of-china/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How might this play out? I suspect when people begin to price in the expectation of long-term dollar depreciation into their calculation of treasury yields, the treasury will find that the interest rates it&#039;s forced to pay for USD denominated debt is much higher than it would be for JPY or EUR denominated debt.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How much of a spread the treasury is willing to bear in exchange for not having to choose the politically toxic option of foreign denominated sovereign debt is the real guess. As it is, JPY long bonds yield 2.5% while corresponding treasuries yield 4.5%. In other words, we&#039;re already paying a 2% premium to keep our debt in USD (something the Yen carry traders currently take advantage of). Exactly how much of a premium are we willing to pay?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All that said, I&#039;m not sure the U.S. will take this option before exhausting a second option, namely currency controls. Many countries that have found themselves staring down the abyss of a rapidly depreciating currency and accumulating debts have gone this route (cf Russia in the &#039;90s, many Asian countries during the Asian crisis, etc.).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While it&#039;s certainly not a long-term solution in a country that runs massive current account deficits, it can provide some short term relief, albeit at long term damage to one&#039;s reputation (and in the case of the U.S., likely irreparable). And our Government has been known to occasionally follow such shortsighted policies from time to time (cf. TARP, TAF, TSLF, short selling ban, etc. ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How might this play out? I suspect when people begin to price in the expectation of long-term dollar depreciation into their calculation of treasury yields, the treasury will find that the interest rates it&#8217;s forced to pay for USD denominated debt is much higher than it would be for JPY or EUR denominated debt.</p>
<p>How much of a spread the treasury is willing to bear in exchange for not having to choose the politically toxic option of foreign denominated sovereign debt is the real guess. As it is, JPY long bonds yield 2.5% while corresponding treasuries yield 4.5%. In other words, we&#8217;re already paying a 2% premium to keep our debt in USD (something the Yen carry traders currently take advantage of). Exactly how much of a premium are we willing to pay?</p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;m not sure the U.S. will take this option before exhausting a second option, namely currency controls. Many countries that have found themselves staring down the abyss of a rapidly depreciating currency and accumulating debts have gone this route (cf Russia in the &#8217;90s, many Asian countries during the Asian crisis, etc.).</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s certainly not a long-term solution in a country that runs massive current account deficits, it can provide some short term relief, albeit at long term damage to one&#8217;s reputation (and in the case of the U.S., likely irreparable). And our Government has been known to occasionally follow such shortsighted policies from time to time (cf. TARP, TAF, TSLF, short selling ban, etc. &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve proposed this already.  From my days of posting at RealMoney:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; David Merkel&lt;br/&gt;A Modest Proposal for Balancing the US Budget in the Short-Run&lt;br/&gt;1/9/2007 11:06 AM EST&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is not meant seriously, but an easy way to balance the US Budget in the short run is to issue Japanese Yen-denominated debt. Current interest costs would drop rapidly, and the budget would balance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s that you say? What if the Yen appreciates versus the Dollar? The US has an ill-disclosed balance sheet, with many of its liabilities omitted, or merely disclosed as footnotes... Medicare, Social Security, the old Federal Employee defined benefit plan, etc., are all off the balance sheet. (And on the plus side, so is the value of most of the property of the government, as well as the present value of its taxation capabilities.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Leaving aside other things that are off-budget (e.g., Iraq, Katrina relief), borrowing in foreign currencies is just another tool that the Federal government can use to put off today&#039;s costs off to a future date. It&#039;s something that our government does well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Position: none, though I own TIPS, realizing that they are only second best to developed market foreign currency debt, and the US Labor department controls the CPI calculation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve proposed this already.  From my days of posting at RealMoney:</p>
<p> David Merkel<br />A Modest Proposal for Balancing the US Budget in the Short-Run<br />1/9/2007 11:06 AM EST</p>
<p>This is not meant seriously, but an easy way to balance the US Budget in the short run is to issue Japanese Yen-denominated debt. Current interest costs would drop rapidly, and the budget would balance.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that you say? What if the Yen appreciates versus the Dollar? The US has an ill-disclosed balance sheet, with many of its liabilities omitted, or merely disclosed as footnotes&#8230; Medicare, Social Security, the old Federal Employee defined benefit plan, etc., are all off the balance sheet. (And on the plus side, so is the value of most of the property of the government, as well as the present value of its taxation capabilities.)</p>
<p>Leaving aside other things that are off-budget (e.g., Iraq, Katrina relief), borrowing in foreign currencies is just another tool that the Federal government can use to put off today&#8217;s costs off to a future date. It&#8217;s something that our government does well.</p>
<p>Position: none, though I own TIPS, realizing that they are only second best to developed market foreign currency debt, and the US Labor department controls the CPI calculation&#8230;</p>
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