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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would gold be trading in such a narrow range if all purchases were physical? I have read that there is a premium for physical gold delivery of 75 to 100 dollars an ounce and waiting times of up to four to six weeks. It would be interesting to compare the total quantity of &#039;paper gold&#039; with physical stockpiles available for delivery and- what would happen to the price of gold if say- 20% of buyers asked for delivery at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would gold be trading in such a narrow range if all purchases were physical? I have read that there is a premium for physical gold delivery of 75 to 100 dollars an ounce and waiting times of up to four to six weeks. It would be interesting to compare the total quantity of &#8216;paper gold&#8217; with physical stockpiles available for delivery and- what would happen to the price of gold if say- 20% of buyers asked for delivery at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: River</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25686</link>
		<dc:creator>River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off Topic:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and yet another story from foreign sources...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;The Dollar Will Be Devalued By A Large Margin&#039; The Economic Times Of India&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;Even worse is the scenario of the future of the US dollar. The US is pumping more and more dollars into the world economy, seriously aggravating the burden of its external debt, which is already over $20 trillion. If the confidence in the US dollar is shaken and the dollar goes into a free fall, we may well have what has been called ‘mother of all monetary crises.’ &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Faced with appreciation of their currencies in relation to dollar and fall in exports, major economies may well embark on competitive devaluations and protectionism, leading to a downward cobweb of production and employment in the world. The Great Depression of the 1930s may well repeat. We must not let that happen. We must make dispassionate analysis of the causes of the crisis and devise corrective measures however bitter they may seem.&#039;...snip...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2008/11/proposal-to-g20-from-economic-times-of.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Standard - Hong Kong&lt;br/&gt;Gold rush&lt;br/&gt;By Benjamin Scent&lt;br/&gt;Friday, November 14, 2008&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;The mainland is seriously considering a plan to diversify more of its massive foreign-exchange reserves into gold, a person familiar with the situation told The Standard.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Beijing is considering changing its asset allocations during the financial tsunami in order to build up gold reserves &quot;in a big way,&quot; the source said.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;China&#039;s fears about the long-term viability of parking most of its reserves in US government bonds were triggered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson&#039;s US$700 billion (HK$5.46 trillion) bailout plan, which may make the US budget deficit balloon to well over US$1 trillion this fiscal year.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The US government will fund the bailout by printing new money or issuing huge amounts of new debt, either of which will put severe pressure on the value of the greenback and on government bond yields. (Is it odd that almost everyone in the world EXCEPT Americans can see this coming? - Jesse)&#039;...snip...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those scoffing at gold should check this one out. China is talking the purchase of 3,000-4,000 tons purchase. How will China pay for it? Dollars or equivalent of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off Topic:</p>
<p>and yet another story from foreign sources&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;The Dollar Will Be Devalued By A Large Margin&#8217; The Economic Times Of India</p>
<p>&#8216;Even worse is the scenario of the future of the US dollar. The US is pumping more and more dollars into the world economy, seriously aggravating the burden of its external debt, which is already over $20 trillion. If the confidence in the US dollar is shaken and the dollar goes into a free fall, we may well have what has been called ‘mother of all monetary crises.’ </p>
<p>Faced with appreciation of their currencies in relation to dollar and fall in exports, major economies may well embark on competitive devaluations and protectionism, leading to a downward cobweb of production and employment in the world. The Great Depression of the 1930s may well repeat. We must not let that happen. We must make dispassionate analysis of the causes of the crisis and devise corrective measures however bitter they may seem.&#8217;&#8230;snip&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2008/11/proposal-to-g20-from-economic-times-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2008/11/proposal-to-g20-from-economic-times-of.html</a></p>
<p>and&#8230;</p>
<p>The Standard &#8211; Hong Kong<br />Gold rush<br />By Benjamin Scent<br />Friday, November 14, 2008</p>
<p>&#8216;The mainland is seriously considering a plan to diversify more of its massive foreign-exchange reserves into gold, a person familiar with the situation told The Standard.</p>
<p>Beijing is considering changing its asset allocations during the financial tsunami in order to build up gold reserves &#8220;in a big way,&#8221; the source said.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s fears about the long-term viability of parking most of its reserves in US government bonds were triggered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson&#8217;s US$700 billion (HK$5.46 trillion) bailout plan, which may make the US budget deficit balloon to well over US$1 trillion this fiscal year.</p>
<p>The US government will fund the bailout by printing new money or issuing huge amounts of new debt, either of which will put severe pressure on the value of the greenback and on government bond yields. (Is it odd that almost everyone in the world EXCEPT Americans can see this coming? &#8211; Jesse)&#8217;&#8230;snip&#8230;</p>
<p>Those scoffing at gold should check this one out. China is talking the purchase of 3,000-4,000 tons purchase. How will China pay for it? Dollars or equivalent of course.</p>
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		<title>By: River</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25684</link>
		<dc:creator>River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off Topic:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;US media is not carrying all the important stories...as usual. A dislocation of the bond market is possible and we should be paying attention. A recent auction of long bonds is an example of what happens when foreign buyers become nervous about long term prospects for the dollar and &#039;full faith and...&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Central Banks Shun the US Long Bond Auction - &quot;Too Many Unknowns&quot;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Indirect bidders, a class of investors that includes foreign central banks, bought 18 percent of the securities offered, down from 43 percent at the last sale&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;U.S. Treasuries Fall After Investors Shun 30-Year Bond Auction&lt;br/&gt;By Cordell Eddings and Sandra Hernandez&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Treasuries fell, led by 30-year bonds, after investors shunned the government&#039;s $10 billion sale of the securities amid concern that U.S. debt sales will grow...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;``The 30-year is not a central bank product, and there&#039;s no real interest from pension funds&#039;&#039; at a yield below 4.5 percent, said Andrew Brenner, co-head of structured products in New York at MF Global Ltd., the world&#039;s largest broker of exchange-traded futures and options contracts. ``There&#039;s just no interest in it...&#039;&#039;...snip...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off Topic:</p>
<p>US media is not carrying all the important stories&#8230;as usual. A dislocation of the bond market is possible and we should be paying attention. A recent auction of long bonds is an example of what happens when foreign buyers become nervous about long term prospects for the dollar and &#8216;full faith and&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>Central Banks Shun the US Long Bond Auction &#8211; &#8220;Too Many Unknowns&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Indirect bidders, a class of investors that includes foreign central banks, bought 18 percent of the securities offered, down from 43 percent at the last sale&#8221;</p>
<p>U.S. Treasuries Fall After Investors Shun 30-Year Bond Auction<br />By Cordell Eddings and Sandra Hernandez</p>
<p>Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) &#8212; Treasuries fell, led by 30-year bonds, after investors shunned the government&#8217;s $10 billion sale of the securities amid concern that U.S. debt sales will grow&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The 30-year is not a central bank product, and there&#8217;s no real interest from pension funds&#8221; at a yield below 4.5 percent, said Andrew Brenner, co-head of structured products in New York at MF Global Ltd., the world&#8217;s largest broker of exchange-traded futures and options contracts. &#8220;There&#8217;s just no interest in it&#8230;&#8221;&#8230;snip&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25672</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambrose-Pritchard goes too far when he writes:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;[Deflation] also redistributes wealth – the wrong way. Savings appreciate, which is nice for the &quot;rentiers&quot; with capital. The effect is a large transfer of income from working people with mortgages to bondholders.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Reading this just makes your hair stand on end.  People who responsibly saved for the future instead of partying in a debt bubble fantasy... they&#039;re now the designated &quot;rentier&quot; enemies of the people, stealing bread from the mouths of the working class?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This sentiment is precisely the reason why inflation will roar, perhaps after a very brief bout of deflation.  Sometimes democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what&#039;s for dinner, and inflation is what they&#039;ll vote for.  The exact mechanisms of how it will be brought about are perhaps not yet clear, but also more or less irrelevant -- it&#039;s a question of politics, not economics.  If helicopters don&#039;t do the trick they will find some other creative ways to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambrose-Pritchard goes too far when he writes:</p>
<p><i>[Deflation] also redistributes wealth – the wrong way. Savings appreciate, which is nice for the &#8220;rentiers&#8221; with capital. The effect is a large transfer of income from working people with mortgages to bondholders.</i></p>
<p>Reading this just makes your hair stand on end.  People who responsibly saved for the future instead of partying in a debt bubble fantasy&#8230; they&#8217;re now the designated &#8220;rentier&#8221; enemies of the people, stealing bread from the mouths of the working class?</p>
<p>This sentiment is precisely the reason why inflation will roar, perhaps after a very brief bout of deflation.  Sometimes democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what&#8217;s for dinner, and inflation is what they&#8217;ll vote for.  The exact mechanisms of how it will be brought about are perhaps not yet clear, but also more or less irrelevant &#8212; it&#8217;s a question of politics, not economics.  If helicopters don&#8217;t do the trick they will find some other creative ways to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: AAI</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25669</link>
		<dc:creator>AAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we&#039;ll have deflation AND inflation, according to these links. Evans-Pritchard warns against deflation, and Morgan Stanley sees $1000 gold. I doubt they can both be right. Maybe we see deflation for a year and then inflation in time for Morgan Stanley&#039;s 3-year price target?  Doubtful, if we&#039;re in the deflation &quot;grip.&quot; Just maybe we&#039;ll have something in the middle. A choppy sideways equity market while bouts of panic hit and recede, as value buyers gradually see global imbalances repairing themselves and a new multi-currency world order evolving.  Sounds a bit more boring than what we have today. Sell vol on spikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we&#8217;ll have deflation AND inflation, according to these links. Evans-Pritchard warns against deflation, and Morgan Stanley sees $1000 gold. I doubt they can both be right. Maybe we see deflation for a year and then inflation in time for Morgan Stanley&#8217;s 3-year price target?  Doubtful, if we&#8217;re in the deflation &#8220;grip.&#8221; Just maybe we&#8217;ll have something in the middle. A choppy sideways equity market while bouts of panic hit and recede, as value buyers gradually see global imbalances repairing themselves and a new multi-currency world order evolving.  Sounds a bit more boring than what we have today. Sell vol on spikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found a nice table here:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bailout Watch&lt;br/&gt;A regular update on all the ways the government is meddling in the market.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://tbm.thebigmoney.com/articles/making-bail/2008/11/12/bailout-watch-0&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found a nice table here:</p>
<p><b>Bailout Watch<br />A regular update on all the ways the government is meddling in the market.</b></p>
<p><a HREF="http://tbm.thebigmoney.com/articles/making-bail/2008/11/12/bailout-watch-0" REL="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: tompain</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25654</link>
		<dc:creator>tompain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMD, no one fears a woman of substance. In case you didn&#039;t notice, a lot of those &quot;paleo-libs&quot; supported Hillary.  What we should all fear is a moron being put into the presidency solely as a result of one man&#039;s choice of her (or him) as a running mate. Say what you will about Biden and Obama, but Obama won the nomination of a major party to get on a ticket.  If Palin can do that, swell, I will still view her as a moron but she will have convinced the American people otherwise, and the people are entitled to mistakes of their own making. But until then America ought not to accept the possibility that a mistake of that magnitude might be foist upon them so that a complete idiot like her can end up in the Oval Office simply because McCain thought it was really mavericky to choose her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMD, no one fears a woman of substance. In case you didn&#8217;t notice, a lot of those &#8220;paleo-libs&#8221; supported Hillary.  What we should all fear is a moron being put into the presidency solely as a result of one man&#8217;s choice of her (or him) as a running mate. Say what you will about Biden and Obama, but Obama won the nomination of a major party to get on a ticket.  If Palin can do that, swell, I will still view her as a moron but she will have convinced the American people otherwise, and the people are entitled to mistakes of their own making. But until then America ought not to accept the possibility that a mistake of that magnitude might be foist upon them so that a complete idiot like her can end up in the Oval Office simply because McCain thought it was really mavericky to choose her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jmd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jmd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the anti-Palin contingency, ugh!  Who are these paleo-libs that are so threatened by a woman of substance getting into the ring with their beloved Biden and Mr. No-Birth-Certificate/Love to Consort with Domestic Terrorists.  And anyone who&#039;s still reading Andrew Sullivan (whose site does not accept comments, btw), must be really hard-up for reading material.  He&#039;s worse than Peggy Noonan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the anti-Palin contingency, ugh!  Who are these paleo-libs that are so threatened by a woman of substance getting into the ring with their beloved Biden and Mr. No-Birth-Certificate/Love to Consort with Domestic Terrorists.  And anyone who&#8217;s still reading Andrew Sullivan (whose site does not accept comments, btw), must be really hard-up for reading material.  He&#8217;s worse than Peggy Noonan.</p>
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		<title>By: Moopheus</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/links-111308.html#comment-25635</link>
		<dc:creator>Moopheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are those guys at Morgan the same ones that said $200 oil by the end of the year? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am always struck by the similarities of rhetoric of the goldbugs and the real estate shills. The value always goes up! It&#039;s always a good time to buy! They&#039;re not making any more of it! The main difference being that it&#039;s hard to get buy without a place to live (though you don&#039;t have to own that place), and it&#039;s easy to live without gold. Personally, if financial armageddon really did happen, I&#039;d rather have a good supply of rice and beans stashed away than gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are those guys at Morgan the same ones that said $200 oil by the end of the year? </p>
<p>I am always struck by the similarities of rhetoric of the goldbugs and the real estate shills. The value always goes up! It&#8217;s always a good time to buy! They&#8217;re not making any more of it! The main difference being that it&#8217;s hard to get buy without a place to live (though you don&#8217;t have to own that place), and it&#8217;s easy to live without gold. Personally, if financial armageddon really did happen, I&#8217;d rather have a good supply of rice and beans stashed away than gold.</p>
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		<title>By: tompain</title>
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		<dc:creator>tompain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves, thank you for posting the link to Why Palin Matters.  This is vitally important for the nation to understand.  I urge anyone reading this comment to immediately read what Andrew Sullivan has to say about this, if you have not already.  It is a matter of national security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves, thank you for posting the link to Why Palin Matters.  This is vitally important for the nation to understand.  I urge anyone reading this comment to immediately read what Andrew Sullivan has to say about this, if you have not already.  It is a matter of national security.</p>
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