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	<title>Comments on: Mark Hulbert Advocates Cash for the Faint-Hearted in Choppy Markets, And Assumes You Can See Them Coming</title>
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		<title>By: Not_a_REAL_American</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/mark-hulbert-advocates-cash-for-faint.html#comment-24150</link>
		<dc:creator>Not_a_REAL_American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American peasantry is depending on their 401k for retirement.  AND, these peasants have the fantasy that the stock market will allow their 401k&#039;s to prosper.  If this prosperity doesn&#039;t happen, allot of peasants are going to start questioning (yet another) part of their American mythology.   When too much of a mythology is called into question, bad things happen; like when that last 5-year plan was &quot;doubted&quot; in the old USSR.   As Mao noted: peasants having doubts is NEVER a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American peasantry is depending on their 401k for retirement.  AND, these peasants have the fantasy that the stock market will allow their 401k&#8217;s to prosper.  If this prosperity doesn&#8217;t happen, allot of peasants are going to start questioning (yet another) part of their American mythology.   When too much of a mythology is called into question, bad things happen; like when that last 5-year plan was &#8220;doubted&#8221; in the old USSR.   As Mao noted: peasants having doubts is NEVER a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: William Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One formulaic decision rule that seems to work:  long-term regression to mean price/earnings ratio.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Over the past 100+ years, broad US stock indexes seem to regress over time to about 16.  This probably implies some logical risk-adjusted yield on earnings and earnings growth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a result, 20-year index returns can be somewhat predicted by the index P/E ratio today.  You can prove this yourself by regressing the data at Robert Schiller&#039;s faculty Web page (Yale.edu).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When you buy below PE=16, your 20-year return is much better than when you buy above that level.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the past month, for the first time since 1996, index PE is well below 16.  This argues it is time to begin averaging into an index fund, a little each month.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No way to tell WHEN a turnaround will come.  Maybe years.  This merely argues that the ODDS of a good long-term return are much better right now than they were a few months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One formulaic decision rule that seems to work:  long-term regression to mean price/earnings ratio.</p>
<p>Over the past 100+ years, broad US stock indexes seem to regress over time to about 16.  This probably implies some logical risk-adjusted yield on earnings and earnings growth.</p>
<p>As a result, 20-year index returns can be somewhat predicted by the index P/E ratio today.  You can prove this yourself by regressing the data at Robert Schiller&#8217;s faculty Web page (Yale.edu).</p>
<p>When you buy below PE=16, your 20-year return is much better than when you buy above that level.</p>
<p>In the past month, for the first time since 1996, index PE is well below 16.  This argues it is time to begin averaging into an index fund, a little each month.</p>
<p>No way to tell WHEN a turnaround will come.  Maybe years.  This merely argues that the ODDS of a good long-term return are much better right now than they were a few months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he is pointing to an issue I have been thinking about a lot lately: the wisdom of long term buy and hold strategy. I have been told countless times that the best strategy for a passive investor is buy and hold dollar cost averaging in index funds. But I started to realize that for a guaranteed positive return, long term can mean decades, and I don&#039;t have that much time. As he points out, long term stockmarket returns depend on being invested during that one bull market your life will probably experience. If you look at the Dow or S&amp;P index, the last century had only three bull markets: during the roaring 20s, after WWII until 65 and from 85-98. During the other years, buy and hold strategy was pointless. So the real question is how to be able to predict a bull market. It seems they are caused by major socio-economic events: end of WWII and the start of the IT revolution in the 80s for example. So with nothing similar in the pipeline currently, I think its safe to say that we will remain in a bear market until a major new socio-economic event will reshape our society. until that time arrives, which can be decades away, buy and hold strategy won&#039;t work and passive investors are probably better of staying out of the stock market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he is pointing to an issue I have been thinking about a lot lately: the wisdom of long term buy and hold strategy. I have been told countless times that the best strategy for a passive investor is buy and hold dollar cost averaging in index funds. But I started to realize that for a guaranteed positive return, long term can mean decades, and I don&#39;t have that much time. As he points out, long term stockmarket returns depend on being invested during that one bull market your life will probably experience. If you look at the Dow or S&amp;P index, the last century had only three bull markets: during the roaring 20s, after WWII until 65 and from 85-98. During the other years, buy and hold strategy was pointless. So the real question is how to be able to predict a bull market. It seems they are caused by major socio-economic events: end of WWII and the start of the IT revolution in the 80s for example. So with nothing similar in the pipeline currently, I think its safe to say that we will remain in a bear market until a major new socio-economic event will reshape our society. until that time arrives, which can be decades away, buy and hold strategy won&#39;t work and passive investors are probably better of staying out of the stock market.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stock market is nothing more then a ponzi casino mania that grips the many who believe the good life comes from speculation.  The daily news flow that report the up and down of the index&#039;s is a reminder that our economy has lost its steering and acting like a chicken with its head cut off.&lt;br/&gt;The stock market has long lost its ability to be a creditable source of funding for business expansion rather it relies on fresh green to fuel the bonus and lifestyle of the few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stock market is nothing more then a ponzi casino mania that grips the many who believe the good life comes from speculation.  The daily news flow that report the up and down of the index&#8217;s is a reminder that our economy has lost its steering and acting like a chicken with its head cut off.<br />The stock market has long lost its ability to be a creditable source of funding for business expansion rather it relies on fresh green to fuel the bonus and lifestyle of the few.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_in_MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob_in_MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hulbert was spouting how insider investment and this or that bit of data-mined nonsense signaled it was time to buy for the last year.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now he is saying move to cash? Smart guy. Why are we even talking about him? Clearly, any idiot can now have a column in the NYT. Hell, Ben Stein is in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hulbert was spouting how insider investment and this or that bit of data-mined nonsense signaled it was time to buy for the last year.</p>
<p>Now he is saying move to cash? Smart guy. Why are we even talking about him? Clearly, any idiot can now have a column in the NYT. Hell, Ben Stein is in there!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hulbert is an asstoot observer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hulbert is an asstoot observer.</p>
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		<title>By: bitter beans</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitter beans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you discuss stock market strategy without consideration of the fact that the entire US financial system is available and put to the service of manipulating markets? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The work of the Plunge Protection Team (Paulson, et al) never stops. Like the 7 dwarfs -off to work we go -illegally manipulating the stock market the last few years. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everyone who invested the last bunch of years who have had their funds automatically invested for retirement paid higher than free market prices for their stock investments.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When are we gonna&#039; see a perp walk for these guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you discuss stock market strategy without consideration of the fact that the entire US financial system is available and put to the service of manipulating markets? </p>
<p>The work of the Plunge Protection Team (Paulson, et al) never stops. Like the 7 dwarfs -off to work we go -illegally manipulating the stock market the last few years. </p>
<p>Everyone who invested the last bunch of years who have had their funds automatically invested for retirement paid higher than free market prices for their stock investments.</p>
<p>When are we gonna&#8217; see a perp walk for these guys?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In such bad times, the markets to be are drug dealing, weapons smuggling as well as prostitution rings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In such bad times, the markets to be are drug dealing, weapons smuggling as well as prostitution rings.</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To JoJo:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The link was perfect!  Thank you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To River who asks:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Why would anyone except a gambler even consider being in stocks now?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And therein lies the problem:  The vast majority of people who consider themselves to be &quot;investors&quot; are kidding themselves.  The 1-2% that are not gamblers are NOT, in fact, &quot;investors&quot;---these few are simply &quot;The House&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Watch ESPN prior to a big football weekend as Chris Berman and Hank Goldberg tout their picks....and then watch CNBC or read just about every other blog that&#039;s out there---there&#039;s no difference---it&#039;s all gambling.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let&#039;s cut the bullshit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be so much healthier, if CNBC, NYT, and the blogs just framed the whole exercise as a gambling narrative.  I think people would make more asute decisions.  Before plunking down some hard earned cash on a Cramer Call...or a blogger call....an otherwise industrious, responsible person might say to himself, &quot;Let&#039;s pause for a moment here, Tiger.  If this doesn&#039;t work, how am I going to feel knowing I just GAMBLED a month&#039;s salary with this &#039;Lock of the Week&#039; play?  I&#039;m going to feel like a degenerate moron, that&#039;s how I&#039;ll feel.&quot;  And with this modicum of self-awareness, this person might make more temperate decisions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But that&#039;s not how it goes down does it?  Instead, it&#039;s more like, &quot;Well, these are &#039;calculated risks&#039;.  I am making &#039;informed decisions&#039;.  I am an investor!    This one just didn&#039;t work out, that&#039;s all.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I&#039;m not saying that people shouldn&#039;t put their money into the markets.  If there&#039;s some kind of edge, go for it.  Just keep in mind if your &quot;portfolio&quot; is down...if your &quot;returns are off&quot;...you just gambled it away.  The next time you are making an &quot;investment&quot;, you are simply making a bet.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If, in addition to the loss of wealth, people also had the attendant loss of esteem by admitting to themselves that they may have a gambling problem....a healthy feeback loop might ensue, where a person says, &quot;Sure I can accept the loss of some money.  What I cannot accept, though, is that I am a gambler who is losing his money via the stock market instead of at the craps table or in a Vegas sportsbook.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To JoJo:</p>
<p>The link was perfect!  Thank you.</p>
<p>To River who asks:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why would anyone except a gambler even consider being in stocks now?&#8221;</p>
<p>And therein lies the problem:  The vast majority of people who consider themselves to be &#8220;investors&#8221; are kidding themselves.  The 1-2% that are not gamblers are NOT, in fact, &#8220;investors&#8221;&#8212;these few are simply &#8220;The House&#8221;.</p>
<p>Watch ESPN prior to a big football weekend as Chris Berman and Hank Goldberg tout their picks&#8230;.and then watch CNBC or read just about every other blog that&#8217;s out there&#8212;there&#8217;s no difference&#8212;it&#8217;s all gambling.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s cut the bullshit.</p>
<p>It would be so much healthier, if CNBC, NYT, and the blogs just framed the whole exercise as a gambling narrative.  I think people would make more asute decisions.  Before plunking down some hard earned cash on a Cramer Call&#8230;or a blogger call&#8230;.an otherwise industrious, responsible person might say to himself, &#8220;Let&#8217;s pause for a moment here, Tiger.  If this doesn&#8217;t work, how am I going to feel knowing I just GAMBLED a month&#8217;s salary with this &#8216;Lock of the Week&#8217; play?  I&#8217;m going to feel like a degenerate moron, that&#8217;s how I&#8217;ll feel.&#8221;  And with this modicum of self-awareness, this person might make more temperate decisions.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not how it goes down does it?  Instead, it&#8217;s more like, &#8220;Well, these are &#8216;calculated risks&#8217;.  I am making &#8216;informed decisions&#8217;.  I am an investor!    This one just didn&#8217;t work out, that&#8217;s all.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not saying that people shouldn&#8217;t put their money into the markets.  If there&#8217;s some kind of edge, go for it.  Just keep in mind if your &#8220;portfolio&#8221; is down&#8230;if your &#8220;returns are off&#8221;&#8230;you just gambled it away.  The next time you are making an &#8220;investment&#8221;, you are simply making a bet.  </p>
<p>If, in addition to the loss of wealth, people also had the attendant loss of esteem by admitting to themselves that they may have a gambling problem&#8230;.a healthy feeback loop might ensue, where a person says, &#8220;Sure I can accept the loss of some money.  What I cannot accept, though, is that I am a gambler who is losing his money via the stock market instead of at the craps table or in a Vegas sportsbook.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: River</title>
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		<dc:creator>River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone except a gambler even consider being in stocks now? Maybe I am missing opportunities but I cleansed my portfolio prior to the Bear Sterns blow up and have not been into stocks since.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As I see the current situation the stock market is so contorted that making a profit on equities is a simple matter of luck...and a bit of bad luck will leave one out some money.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When the Fed and Treasury get into bed with Wall St, its time to look at cash, precious metals, or other commodities. The only people that will make money in the current stock market are lucky day traders that guess right or insiders. Lots of sheep will be sheared, of course, because there remains a pool of greater fools. At some point they will run out of money. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The old saying goes...The market can remain irrational longer than one can remain solvent. In the present case irrationality has nothing to do with it...It is plain and simply rigged. One has a better chance on the crap tables in Vegas where the rules are not changed after each roll of the dice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone except a gambler even consider being in stocks now? Maybe I am missing opportunities but I cleansed my portfolio prior to the Bear Sterns blow up and have not been into stocks since.</p>
<p>As I see the current situation the stock market is so contorted that making a profit on equities is a simple matter of luck&#8230;and a bit of bad luck will leave one out some money.</p>
<p>When the Fed and Treasury get into bed with Wall St, its time to look at cash, precious metals, or other commodities. The only people that will make money in the current stock market are lucky day traders that guess right or insiders. Lots of sheep will be sheared, of course, because there remains a pool of greater fools. At some point they will run out of money. </p>
<p>The old saying goes&#8230;The market can remain irrational longer than one can remain solvent. In the present case irrationality has nothing to do with it&#8230;It is plain and simply rigged. One has a better chance on the crap tables in Vegas where the rules are not changed after each roll of the dice.</p>
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