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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avg John-&lt;br/&gt;Most of them (including Greenspan) were blinded by the money and the sheer size of the thing. Having known physicists and quants, it&#039;s easy for the model to become more important than reality especially when that&#039;s where your next meal comes from. It&#039;s no different than the fishermen who can&#039;t figure out where all the fish have gone. This comes back to simple human frailties: managers desire for a free lunch, workers hoping simple models are realistic, greed and now fear.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to solutions? Well there don&#039;t really seem to be any. The money is gone (credit was created on the back of unworthy assets and insolvent debtors), it&#039;s just a question of who get&#039;s bailed out first and whether we revert to an agrarian society at this point. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The paths are uncharted. I hope they figure out a way to keep the Ponzi scheme going long enough for me to die of old age... but I don&#039;t expect it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Joeblo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avg John-<br />Most of them (including Greenspan) were blinded by the money and the sheer size of the thing. Having known physicists and quants, it&#8217;s easy for the model to become more important than reality especially when that&#8217;s where your next meal comes from. It&#8217;s no different than the fishermen who can&#8217;t figure out where all the fish have gone. This comes back to simple human frailties: managers desire for a free lunch, workers hoping simple models are realistic, greed and now fear.</p>
<p>As to solutions? Well there don&#8217;t really seem to be any. The money is gone (credit was created on the back of unworthy assets and insolvent debtors), it&#8217;s just a question of who get&#8217;s bailed out first and whether we revert to an agrarian society at this point. </p>
<p>The paths are uncharted. I hope they figure out a way to keep the Ponzi scheme going long enough for me to die of old age&#8230; but I don&#8217;t expect it.</p>
<p>Joeblo</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/more-cdo-defaults-in-offing.html#comment-25903</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Avg John,&lt;br/&gt;How smart is it to create a system of artificial wealth, who&#039;s value is determined by the people in control, on a minute by minute basis? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These people are cleaver, not smart as they will burn down everyone house to save their own.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I started my business career back in the early 70s/7th grade, doing totals in my mothers book keeping/accounting/printing business. To see a red, green or black bound ledger still reminds me of youth lost. Since that I have worked in OEM, Supply and Sales, to the executive level. In all that time the most prevalent observation I made was the moral loss one needed to rise to the top.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We are experiencing a economic meltdown but, feel it all started with the moral one.       &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Skippy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Avg John,<br />How smart is it to create a system of artificial wealth, who&#8217;s value is determined by the people in control, on a minute by minute basis? </p>
<p>These people are cleaver, not smart as they will burn down everyone house to save their own.</p>
<p>I started my business career back in the early 70s/7th grade, doing totals in my mothers book keeping/accounting/printing business. To see a red, green or black bound ledger still reminds me of youth lost. Since that I have worked in OEM, Supply and Sales, to the executive level. In all that time the most prevalent observation I made was the moral loss one needed to rise to the top.</p>
<p>We are experiencing a economic meltdown but, feel it all started with the moral one.       </p>
<p>Skippy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/more-cdo-defaults-in-offing.html#comment-25893</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank is completely correct when he says this problem is larger than all the money/GDP in the world. James Bruges says the same thing in &lt;i&gt;The Little Earth Book&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank is completely correct when he says this problem is larger than all the money/GDP in the world. James Bruges says the same thing in <i>The Little Earth Book</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/more-cdo-defaults-in-offing.html#comment-25833</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skippy,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;yeah, i feel like the little boy calling out the &quot;king is naked&quot;. I don&#039;t have an advanced degree and have never worked for a wall-street firm but when I&#039;m wading in bull-sh*t up to my arm pits I can figure out where the stench is coming from.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I see 15,000 expert economists using the all latest computer-based sophisticated statistical analytic programs and modeling techniques, all couched in insider jargon and technical blather, that we dumb general public yokels just couldn&#039;t possibly understand. And how many of these gurus saw this crisis coming? Having no shame, many of these so called experts have the audacity to share their deep understanding of these matters in the comment section of blogs such as this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hundreds of thousands of accountants purporting to provide services by way of financial statements that arms investors with useful information on predicting a company&#039;s future cash flows. Knowing full well, the general investing public wouldn&#039;t know what an accumulated adjustment account is for, haven&#039;t the faintest idea about the assumptions that are made in calculating deferred tax assets\liabilities, nor the journal entries required booking transactions surrounding hedges, Or intelligently weighing the merits of so called fair-value accounting, as if there is a single objective value that can be assigned to an asset on the balance sheet date, that has any real meaning for an investor. SEC, Sarbanes-Oxley, GAAP, IAS, transparency. yeah I smell bull-sh*t here, how about you?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I see wall street financial analysts, apparently setting on their thumbs, while disasters such as the internet bubble, enron and worldcom type scandals, as well as the mortgage-backed security mess and looming credit default swaps crisis have literally popped up all around us, destoying our children&#039;s future. Lacking in any shame, they still make their regular appearances on CNBC Squak Box, sharing their expert opinions without even blushing. Risk management with Synthetic CDOs implemeted with credit default swaps, special purpose entities, and leveraged super tranches, indeed! I smell bull-sh*t, how about you? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And then there are your global software companies that keep busy cornering the technology market. Threatened by open standards that just might unleash a torrent of technological innovation, with the promise of creating &quot;real&quot; wealth and improving quality of life around the globe, these technology behemoths have been busy hijacking the standards setting bodies and spuing out tons of marketing hyberbole, convincing the general programming community that without their proprietary software frameworks and solutions, information solutions are just not possible. And I&#039;ll be darned if all the IT customer base isn&#039;t buying into it. Just, what in the hay has the anti-trust division of the Justice departments been doing with themselves over the last 30 years?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I keep reading the comments on this blog, searching for someone who is proposing concrete solutions. You got any? Comments that demonstate ones deep knowledge of the credit default swap market after it tanks are about as useful as nipples on a male pig. Risk management, hah! Let&#039;s see we&#039;ve got liquidity risk, business risk, credit risk, systematic risk. How about stupidity risk?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not very smart skippy, but given the conditions on wall street, it looks like I&#039;ve got plenty of company.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Avg John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skippy,</p>
<p>yeah, i feel like the little boy calling out the &#8220;king is naked&#8221;. I don&#8217;t have an advanced degree and have never worked for a wall-street firm but when I&#8217;m wading in bull-sh*t up to my arm pits I can figure out where the stench is coming from.</p>
<p>I see 15,000 expert economists using the all latest computer-based sophisticated statistical analytic programs and modeling techniques, all couched in insider jargon and technical blather, that we dumb general public yokels just couldn&#8217;t possibly understand. And how many of these gurus saw this crisis coming? Having no shame, many of these so called experts have the audacity to share their deep understanding of these matters in the comment section of blogs such as this.</p>
<p>Hundreds of thousands of accountants purporting to provide services by way of financial statements that arms investors with useful information on predicting a company&#8217;s future cash flows. Knowing full well, the general investing public wouldn&#8217;t know what an accumulated adjustment account is for, haven&#8217;t the faintest idea about the assumptions that are made in calculating deferred tax assets\liabilities, nor the journal entries required booking transactions surrounding hedges, Or intelligently weighing the merits of so called fair-value accounting, as if there is a single objective value that can be assigned to an asset on the balance sheet date, that has any real meaning for an investor. SEC, Sarbanes-Oxley, GAAP, IAS, transparency. yeah I smell bull-sh*t here, how about you?</p>
<p>I see wall street financial analysts, apparently setting on their thumbs, while disasters such as the internet bubble, enron and worldcom type scandals, as well as the mortgage-backed security mess and looming credit default swaps crisis have literally popped up all around us, destoying our children&#8217;s future. Lacking in any shame, they still make their regular appearances on CNBC Squak Box, sharing their expert opinions without even blushing. Risk management with Synthetic CDOs implemeted with credit default swaps, special purpose entities, and leveraged super tranches, indeed! I smell bull-sh*t, how about you? </p>
<p>And then there are your global software companies that keep busy cornering the technology market. Threatened by open standards that just might unleash a torrent of technological innovation, with the promise of creating &#8220;real&#8221; wealth and improving quality of life around the globe, these technology behemoths have been busy hijacking the standards setting bodies and spuing out tons of marketing hyberbole, convincing the general programming community that without their proprietary software frameworks and solutions, information solutions are just not possible. And I&#8217;ll be darned if all the IT customer base isn&#8217;t buying into it. Just, what in the hay has the anti-trust division of the Justice departments been doing with themselves over the last 30 years?</p>
<p>I keep reading the comments on this blog, searching for someone who is proposing concrete solutions. You got any? Comments that demonstate ones deep knowledge of the credit default swap market after it tanks are about as useful as nipples on a male pig. Risk management, hah! Let&#8217;s see we&#8217;ve got liquidity risk, business risk, credit risk, systematic risk. How about stupidity risk?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not very smart skippy, but given the conditions on wall street, it looks like I&#8217;ve got plenty of company.  </p>
<p>Avg John</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perfect storm hits the &quot;unsinkable&quot; Titanic. &lt;br/&gt;All hands to deck,man the life boats, bankers and hedge funds first. &lt;br/&gt;She&#039;s going down boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perfect storm hits the &#8220;unsinkable&#8221; Titanic. <br />All hands to deck,man the life boats, bankers and hedge funds first. <br />She&#8217;s going down boys.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - We know CDOs are toxic and bad.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But we do not know how big the CDO market is - Only a guess.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When will the problem be realized?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Answer those questions - And you will know when life gets back to normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; We know CDOs are toxic and bad.  </p>
<p>But we do not know how big the CDO market is &#8211; Only a guess.</p>
<p>When will the problem be realized?</p>
<p>Answer those questions &#8211; And you will know when life gets back to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged on synthetics recently at Global Labor. I think the trouble in this market may have scared Paulson away from the original purpose of the TARP. He realized he would be pushing on a string to buy up troubled assets like CDOs - he might as well buy yesterday&#039;s lottery tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged on synthetics recently at Global Labor. I think the trouble in this market may have scared Paulson away from the original purpose of the TARP. He realized he would be pushing on a string to buy up troubled assets like CDOs &#8211; he might as well buy yesterday&#8217;s lottery tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: tom a taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/more-cdo-defaults-in-offing.html#comment-25775</link>
		<dc:creator>tom a taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terra Incognito. The problem is we are in uncharted territory, and it is getting more uncharted every day.&lt;br/&gt;Governments are taking extreme and unprecedented measures are an increasing pace.&lt;br/&gt;It is virtually impossible to figure out what will happen because there are too many balls in the air, too many cooks in the kitchen, and too many unintended consequences.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This Yeats poem may seem over-dramatic, but who knows...:&lt;br/&gt;Turning and turning in the widening gyre&lt;br/&gt;The falcon cannot hear the falconer;&lt;br/&gt;Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;&lt;br/&gt;Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,&lt;br/&gt;The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere&lt;br/&gt;The ceremony of innocence is drowned;&lt;br/&gt;The best lack all conviction, while the worst&lt;br/&gt;Are full of passionate intensity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terra Incognito. The problem is we are in uncharted territory, and it is getting more uncharted every day.<br />Governments are taking extreme and unprecedented measures are an increasing pace.<br />It is virtually impossible to figure out what will happen because there are too many balls in the air, too many cooks in the kitchen, and too many unintended consequences.</p>
<p>This Yeats poem may seem over-dramatic, but who knows&#8230;:<br />Turning and turning in the widening gyre<br />The falcon cannot hear the falconer;<br />Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;<br />Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br />The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br />The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br />The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br />Are full of passionate intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not enough money in the treasuries of governments around the world to fix this problem.  The total value of derivative contracts is many times the GDP of the world.  The entire mess is now starting to devolve entropically.  The TARP money is going into a black hole.  Every thing put in will disappear without effect.  This is a black hole that can swallow the entire world economy.  A redesign is required for the entire system, worldwide.  The capitalism experiment is over.  This is the end of a 500 year era of growth economics based upon exploitation: first of the &quot;New World&quot; and slavery, later of fossil fuels and exploitation of the natural world.  There are no longer increasing supplies of cheap fossil fuels available, and the natural world is now about to exploit humans constructs through climate change and other unpleasant effects of ecological overshoot in a kind of karmic reply. After awhile, trying to sort out the financial crisis becomes an exercise in mental masturbation. Truly yours Frank from &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://entropypawsed.org&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EntropyPawsed&lt;/a&gt; where we attempt to design for the new era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not enough money in the treasuries of governments around the world to fix this problem.  The total value of derivative contracts is many times the GDP of the world.  The entire mess is now starting to devolve entropically.  The TARP money is going into a black hole.  Every thing put in will disappear without effect.  This is a black hole that can swallow the entire world economy.  A redesign is required for the entire system, worldwide.  The capitalism experiment is over.  This is the end of a 500 year era of growth economics based upon exploitation: first of the &#8220;New World&#8221; and slavery, later of fossil fuels and exploitation of the natural world.  There are no longer increasing supplies of cheap fossil fuels available, and the natural world is now about to exploit humans constructs through climate change and other unpleasant effects of ecological overshoot in a kind of karmic reply. After awhile, trying to sort out the financial crisis becomes an exercise in mental masturbation. Truly yours Frank from <a HREF="http://entropypawsed.org" REL="nofollow">EntropyPawsed</a> where we attempt to design for the new era.</p>
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		<title>By: Mencius Moldbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mencius Moldbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say how pleased I am to see people actually thinking a little bit, even very tentatively as above, about regulating duration mismatches, ie, maturity transformation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Granted, the issue is just too complicated to demagogue.  But it can&#039;t be too complicated to regulate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say how pleased I am to see people actually thinking a little bit, even very tentatively as above, about regulating duration mismatches, ie, maturity transformation.</p>
<p>Granted, the issue is just too complicated to demagogue.  But it can&#8217;t be too complicated to regulate&#8230;</p>
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