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		<title>By: mft</title>
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		<dc:creator>mft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon@4:32, thank you for your explanation, and also for adding the comment in your first paragraph.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, I have understood that it is the issuing banks that are acting cautiously, not the sellers&#039; banks. That at any rate is the point made by the Times Online article quoted in Yves post of Nov. 2nd -  (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/trade-letter-of-credit-woes-finally-go.html).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A couple of quotes:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;buyers of goods are being denied access to letters of credit&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;HSBC: &quot;the cost of guaranteeing a letter of credit, a routine instrument used for payment of goods, has doubled&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maersk Broker: &quot;Banks’ refusal to offer letters of credit has resulted in very few fresh cargoes reaching the market&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have I really misunderstood this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon@4:32, thank you for your explanation, and also for adding the comment in your first paragraph.</p>
<p>Actually, I have understood that it is the issuing banks that are acting cautiously, not the sellers&#8217; banks. That at any rate is the point made by the Times Online article quoted in Yves post of Nov. 2nd &#8211;  (<a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/trade-letter-of-credit-woes-finally-go.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/trade-letter-of-credit-woes-finally-go.html)</a>.</p>
<p>A couple of quotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;buyers of goods are being denied access to letters of credit&#8221;</p>
<p>HSBC: &#8220;the cost of guaranteeing a letter of credit, a routine instrument used for payment of goods, has doubled&#8221;</p>
<p>Maersk Broker: &#8220;Banks’ refusal to offer letters of credit has resulted in very few fresh cargoes reaching the market&#8221;.</p>
<p>Have I really misunderstood this?</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Dubuque: You&#039;re fixating on one tiny sector of the world economy. That&#039;s like saying we had hyperdeflation back in 2001 when pets.com imploded. I&#039;ll believe in hyperdeflation when I see federal government expenditures (defense, social security, medicare, etc) crashing in nominal terms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hyperdeflation would probably be a good thing, because it would wipe the system clean of a lot of rubbish that&#039;s been built up in the past 80 years, and force a rethinking of everything in our economy. Which is exactly why we won&#039;t get hyperdeflation. Too many powerful interests would be hurt. Nor will we get hyperinflation, for the same reason. We&#039;ll either get mild deflation or mild inflation, with the former more likely in the short run and the latter almost certain in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Dubuque: You&#8217;re fixating on one tiny sector of the world economy. That&#8217;s like saying we had hyperdeflation back in 2001 when pets.com imploded. I&#8217;ll believe in hyperdeflation when I see federal government expenditures (defense, social security, medicare, etc) crashing in nominal terms.</p>
<p>Hyperdeflation would probably be a good thing, because it would wipe the system clean of a lot of rubbish that&#8217;s been built up in the past 80 years, and force a rethinking of everything in our economy. Which is exactly why we won&#8217;t get hyperdeflation. Too many powerful interests would be hurt. Nor will we get hyperinflation, for the same reason. We&#8217;ll either get mild deflation or mild inflation, with the former more likely in the short run and the latter almost certain in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4:04, that was really rude, and Yves does not approve of that sort of thing. If you don&#039;t agree with someone&#039;s comment, you owe it to explain it to them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;mft,  you do not understand how L/Cs work. The L/C is issued by the buyer&#039;s bank, at least for a documentary L/C so that the seller knows that the buyer can pay. If it is a documentary L/C, the payment is made when the seller meets the documentary requirements under the L/C. Basically, if the seller lives up to its side of the deal, the payment is made. But L/Cs are being rejected by the seller&#039;s bank, and this is BEFORE the shipment leaves port. Banks do not want to be exposed to the risk of other banks, particularly on funky credits like L/Cs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4:04, that was really rude, and Yves does not approve of that sort of thing. If you don&#8217;t agree with someone&#8217;s comment, you owe it to explain it to them.</p>
<p>mft,  you do not understand how L/Cs work. The L/C is issued by the buyer&#8217;s bank, at least for a documentary L/C so that the seller knows that the buyer can pay. If it is a documentary L/C, the payment is made when the seller meets the documentary requirements under the L/C. Basically, if the seller lives up to its side of the deal, the payment is made. But L/Cs are being rejected by the seller&#8217;s bank, and this is BEFORE the shipment leaves port. Banks do not want to be exposed to the risk of other banks, particularly on funky credits like L/Cs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey mft...are you the guy/gal who jumps up to ask the stupidest question in the class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey mft&#8230;are you the guy/gal who jumps up to ask the stupidest question in the class?</p>
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		<title>By: mft</title>
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		<dc:creator>mft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this posting a bit confusing. The articles quoted switched back and forward between demand issues (steel industry collapse resulting a cancelled iron ore contracts) and credit issues (letters of credit not issued because of general loss of confidence). They didn&#039;t even really analyse the relative importance of these causes or even distiguishing clearly between them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Could it also be that banks are not issuing letters of credit for altogether good reasons - suspicion that the cargo may not be accepted on arrival because of the rapid pace of downturn in the real economy? I suspect that banks would behave that way even if there were not a financial crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this posting a bit confusing. The articles quoted switched back and forward between demand issues (steel industry collapse resulting a cancelled iron ore contracts) and credit issues (letters of credit not issued because of general loss of confidence). They didn&#8217;t even really analyse the relative importance of these causes or even distiguishing clearly between them.</p>
<p>Could it also be that banks are not issuing letters of credit for altogether good reasons &#8211; suspicion that the cargo may not be accepted on arrival because of the rapid pace of downturn in the real economy? I suspect that banks would behave that way even if there were not a financial crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dubuque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Dubuque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who snickered and sneered that HYPERdeflation was simply not possible because the Fed would simply &quot;wave a magic wand&quot; and &quot;print money&quot; (DUH, Treasuries are AUCTIONED and subject to bid/ask....), note the following excerpt from this fine piece Yves posted:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;rental rates that have plunged 98 percent in five months&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A price collapse of 98% in 5 months.  If hyperdeflation is defined as a decline of over 8% in prices in a month, this is CLEARLY a deflationary microburst.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will there be more to come?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stay tuned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But clearly we need the word hyperdeflation in the parlance to describe some of what we are beginning to see and the risks we need to manage.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Risks the St. Louis Fed, darling of the WSJ and the American press, does not understand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Matt Dubuque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who snickered and sneered that HYPERdeflation was simply not possible because the Fed would simply &#8220;wave a magic wand&#8221; and &#8220;print money&#8221; (DUH, Treasuries are AUCTIONED and subject to bid/ask&#8230;.), note the following excerpt from this fine piece Yves posted:</p>
<p>&#8220;rental rates that have plunged 98 percent in five months&#8221;.</p>
<p>A price collapse of 98% in 5 months.  If hyperdeflation is defined as a decline of over 8% in prices in a month, this is CLEARLY a deflationary microburst.</p>
<p>Will there be more to come?</p>
<p>Stay tuned.</p>
<p>But clearly we need the word hyperdeflation in the parlance to describe some of what we are beginning to see and the risks we need to manage.</p>
<p>Risks the St. Louis Fed, darling of the WSJ and the American press, does not understand.</p>
<p>Matt Dubuque</p>
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		<title>By: alan greenspend</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan greenspend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the wylie coyote graph from the FRED is out, nice historic perspective -&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Net Free or Borrowed Reserves of Depository Institutions&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NFORBRES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the wylie coyote graph from the FRED is out, nice historic perspective -</p>
<p>Net Free or Borrowed Reserves of Depository Institutions</p>
<p><a href="http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NFORBRES" rel="nofollow">http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NFORBRES</a></p>
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