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	<title>Comments on: UBS Revamping Bonus Plan, Will Try to Claw Back Previous Payments</title>
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		<title>By: Lune</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/ubs-revamping-bonus-plan-will-try-to.html#comment-26200</link>
		<dc:creator>Lune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with &#039;a&#039;. This is a PR move until proven otherwise, designed to fend off govt criticism over paying out bonuses this year after receiving a $60bil bailout. Bonuses are &quot;less&quot; than last year? Give me a break! If your firm teetered on the edge of bankruptcy, requiring a cash infusion equivalent to &gt;10% of your country&#039;s GDP just to keep running, there should be so many &quot;maluses&quot; awarded that everyone from the janitor on up should essentially be in debtor&#039;s prison right now. But no, bonuses will only be &quot;lower&quot; than last year.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they really wanted to align executive interests with shareholders, they should do what Buffett does and simply &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; pay out the bonus until 5 years later. Paying bonuses now with some ill-defined option of clawing them back later is an accounting contortion whose sole purpose is to allow bonuses to be paid this year while hoping / praying that conditions improve the next several years so that they can quietly discard this policy and go back to the usual beggaring of their shareholders and clients when the current public scrutiny has died down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with &#39;a&#39;. This is a PR move until proven otherwise, designed to fend off govt criticism over paying out bonuses this year after receiving a $60bil bailout. Bonuses are &quot;less&quot; than last year? Give me a break! If your firm teetered on the edge of bankruptcy, requiring a cash infusion equivalent to &gt;10% of your country&#39;s GDP just to keep running, there should be so many &quot;maluses&quot; awarded that everyone from the janitor on up should essentially be in debtor&#39;s prison right now. But no, bonuses will only be &quot;lower&quot; than last year.</p>
<p>If they really wanted to align executive interests with shareholders, they should do what Buffett does and simply <i>not</i> pay out the bonus until 5 years later. Paying bonuses now with some ill-defined option of clawing them back later is an accounting contortion whose sole purpose is to allow bonuses to be paid this year while hoping / praying that conditions improve the next several years so that they can quietly discard this policy and go back to the usual beggaring of their shareholders and clients when the current public scrutiny has died down.</p>
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		<title>By: Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the author&#039;s comment about UBS&#039;s new policy proposal as being an indication that UBS is incapable of reporting shows how little most people understand of this crisis. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;UBS and every other major financial instituition engaged in massive off balance sheet transactions and OTC markets knowing that this could one day blowup. Management knew about it and new that everyone else was doing the same thing. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem is not that UBS or any other bank for that matter, &quot;cant&quot; assess the profitability of its current business, but the problem is that pay structure is such that the controls are not enforced since management itself also benefits in high short term payouts that can dwarf any longer term considerations. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it is correct to have top manager compensation more in line with potential future losses generated in their businesses. Whether this means longer term investment periods for bonuses or clawbacks will be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the author&#8217;s comment about UBS&#8217;s new policy proposal as being an indication that UBS is incapable of reporting shows how little most people understand of this crisis. </p>
<p>UBS and every other major financial instituition engaged in massive off balance sheet transactions and OTC markets knowing that this could one day blowup. Management knew about it and new that everyone else was doing the same thing. </p>
<p>The problem is not that UBS or any other bank for that matter, &#8220;cant&#8221; assess the profitability of its current business, but the problem is that pay structure is such that the controls are not enforced since management itself also benefits in high short term payouts that can dwarf any longer term considerations. </p>
<p>I think it is correct to have top manager compensation more in line with potential future losses generated in their businesses. Whether this means longer term investment periods for bonuses or clawbacks will be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: burnside</title>
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		<dc:creator>burnside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe UBS undertook to separate investment banking from their wealth management division in August of this year. While I understand the reluctance of some to credit the firm&#039;s intentions with respect to this latest announcement, there is after all some indication here that UBS is becoming a front runner in matters related to (self-) regulation and internal reforms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stockholders who are unnerved by these proposals may be overlooking the evidence that the new rules are &quot;. . .designed to align the interests of executives and traders with those of stockholders.&quot; To me, at least, this appears to be a move intended, in part, to generate fresh infusions from the capital markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe UBS undertook to separate investment banking from their wealth management division in August of this year. While I understand the reluctance of some to credit the firm&#8217;s intentions with respect to this latest announcement, there is after all some indication here that UBS is becoming a front runner in matters related to (self-) regulation and internal reforms.</p>
<p>Stockholders who are unnerved by these proposals may be overlooking the evidence that the new rules are &#8220;. . .designed to align the interests of executives and traders with those of stockholders.&#8221; To me, at least, this appears to be a move intended, in part, to generate fresh infusions from the capital markets.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/ubs-revamping-bonus-plan-will-try-to.html#comment-26152</link>
		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The UBS move is a worthwhile effort towards establishing greater accountability...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not so sure I agree, e.g. with the part about asking for the money back. Presumably UBS had risk management structures in place; were they violated? Is there evidence of such malfeasance? Or of anything criminal? I can understand the feeling behind the move, if less so the logic. It strikes me somehow as petty, small-minded. How do they expect to recruit people to work for them with such policies in place? In the &#039;past results are no guarantee of future returns&#039; sense. Anyway, more of what you&#039;ve come to expect from these shallow clowns in finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The UBS move is a worthwhile effort towards establishing greater accountability&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree, e.g. with the part about asking for the money back. Presumably UBS had risk management structures in place; were they violated? Is there evidence of such malfeasance? Or of anything criminal? I can understand the feeling behind the move, if less so the logic. It strikes me somehow as petty, small-minded. How do they expect to recruit people to work for them with such policies in place? In the &#8216;past results are no guarantee of future returns&#8217; sense. Anyway, more of what you&#8217;ve come to expect from these shallow clowns in finance.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I remain skeptical.  It looks like one big PR campaign, with the objective of allowing large bonuses to be paid this year under the cover that reform is in the air.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This year UBS has seen &quot;losses at group ... level&quot;, right?  So is UBS saying that it&#039;s going to distribute maluses to all of its employees this year?  Of course not!  Bonuses will just be &quot;down&quot; from last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I remain skeptical.  It looks like one big PR campaign, with the objective of allowing large bonuses to be paid this year under the cover that reform is in the air.</p>
<p>This year UBS has seen &#8220;losses at group &#8230; level&#8221;, right?  So is UBS saying that it&#8217;s going to distribute maluses to all of its employees this year?  Of course not!  Bonuses will just be &#8220;down&#8221; from last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing less than malusing these unrepentant thieves into a penitentiary will suffice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing less than malusing these unrepentant thieves into a penitentiary will suffice.</p>
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		<title>By: baychev</title>
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		<dc:creator>baychev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t vesting doing exactly that? or it is designed to keep the person around like shackles? tie vesting to future performance than just to the number of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t vesting doing exactly that? or it is designed to keep the person around like shackles? tie vesting to future performance than just to the number of years.</p>
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		<title>By: john bougearel</title>
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		<dc:creator>john bougearel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to try this new word in a sentence. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Can we &quot;malus&quot; the Secretary of the US Treasury? Afta&#039; all, don&#039;t we pay him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to try this new word in a sentence. </p>
<p>Can we &#8220;malus&#8221; the Secretary of the US Treasury? Afta&#8217; all, don&#8217;t we pay him?</p>
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		<title>By: tompain</title>
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		<dc:creator>tompain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps hedge funds should consider a similar approach to compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps hedge funds should consider a similar approach to compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is nice to know that there are still some parts of the world where logic is still exercised.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maluses is a good concept that needs to be drilled into the American public consciousness.  any bets on that working?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for posting this Yves.  It did brighten a fairly dismal day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is nice to know that there are still some parts of the world where logic is still exercised.</p>
<p>Maluses is a good concept that needs to be drilled into the American public consciousness.  any bets on that working?</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this Yves.  It did brighten a fairly dismal day.</p>
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