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	<title>Comments on: AIG Up to Its Old Tricks, Yet Another $10 Billion in Losses</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/aig-up-to-its-old-tricks-yet-another-10.html#comment-28923</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and more. The productive segments are more than sick and tired of these elitists wizards&lt;br/&gt;screwing over the people and the country&#039;s economy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Until these Dens of thieves and crooks have their their assets stripped,put on a Devil&#039;s Island nothing, and handed basic Soc. Sec. level when return, nothing will change.  Would tell them they&#039;re lucky they&#039;re not getting shot at sunrise too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;smart independent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and more. The productive segments are more than sick and tired of these elitists wizards<br />screwing over the people and the country&#8217;s economy.</p>
<p>Until these Dens of thieves and crooks have their their assets stripped,put on a Devil&#8217;s Island nothing, and handed basic Soc. Sec. level when return, nothing will change.  Would tell them they&#8217;re lucky they&#8217;re not getting shot at sunrise too.</p>
<p>smart independent</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still dont understand how come AIG isnt making the folks at AIGFP available for interviews or making their names public. How is it that a corp loses billions and billions, yet, nobody knows who these peopele are????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still dont understand how come AIG isnt making the folks at AIGFP available for interviews or making their names public. How is it that a corp loses billions and billions, yet, nobody knows who these peopele are????</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why you&#039;re making fun of AIG, we all have a 79% non-voting position in it.....I expect those profits to start rolling in any day now as soon as we get past these minor hiccups.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;8.5 Trillion and counting....is a minor hiccup. I dread to think what a serious problem is. Though no doubt if that kind of thinking, is what is running the system, we will soon find out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AIG/Goldman and CDS&#039;, yet again. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No wonder Paulson negotiated immunity, first, after all he has no conflict of interest here at all. Imagine what would have happened to his trust funds of Goldman stock , if IAG had gone down.....he might have to work for a liveing instead of stealing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;re making fun of AIG, we all have a 79% non-voting position in it&#8230;..I expect those profits to start rolling in any day now as soon as we get past these minor hiccups.</p>
<p>8.5 Trillion and counting&#8230;.is a minor hiccup. I dread to think what a serious problem is. Though no doubt if that kind of thinking, is what is running the system, we will soon find out.</p>
<p>AIG/Goldman and CDS&#8217;, yet again. </p>
<p>No wonder Paulson negotiated immunity, first, after all he has no conflict of interest here at all. Imagine what would have happened to his trust funds of Goldman stock , if IAG had gone down&#8230;..he might have to work for a liveing instead of stealing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buyers will be lining up to buy gov.CDs. Mak&#039;em maturable in say...20 years, where the holder has to pay the government to take them back.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know why you&#039;re making fun of AIG, we all have a 79% non-voting position in it.....I expect those profits to start rolling in any day now as soon as we get past these minor hiccups. Best part is that we won&#039;t incur any legal fees in defense of the cash infusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buyers will be lining up to buy gov.CDs. Mak&#8217;em maturable in say&#8230;20 years, where the holder has to pay the government to take them back.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;re making fun of AIG, we all have a 79% non-voting position in it&#8230;..I expect those profits to start rolling in any day now as soon as we get past these minor hiccups. Best part is that we won&#8217;t incur any legal fees in defense of the cash infusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDK...thanks for your responses to my questions...and for encouraging me to learn a new word...Zugzwang.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think that there are a significant number of folks in the world that would disagree about the systemic risk that kicking America in the arse would cause.  I think that the countries whose national debt goes &quot;underwater&quot; because of our systemic failings don&#039;t have much to lose by worrying about what might happen if things don&#039;t change.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Time will tell....I think within 6-9 months at most we will have a period of world wide introspection.....I have no money to bet on my scenarios, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDK&#8230;thanks for your responses to my questions&#8230;and for encouraging me to learn a new word&#8230;Zugzwang.</p>
<p>I think that there are a significant number of folks in the world that would disagree about the systemic risk that kicking America in the arse would cause.  I think that the countries whose national debt goes &#8220;underwater&#8221; because of our systemic failings don&#8217;t have much to lose by worrying about what might happen if things don&#8217;t change.</p>
<p>Time will tell&#8230;.I think within 6-9 months at most we will have a period of world wide introspection&#8230;..I have no money to bet on my scenarios, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If indeed the US has to &quot;sell&quot; over a trillion in the next 12 months to keep up the pretense of not being bankrupt, how in heck is that going to happen in the evolving world climate?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they didn&#039;t, we&#039;d all have to take the pain now, at a particularly inopportune moment, and everyone&#039;s shown ample willingness to delay and worsen the inevitable to date.  Bretton Woods 2, as this has been called particularly by Setser, has been remarkably resilient despite it having an obviously awful outcome.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;My take says that soon after Obama takes office there will be another &quot;Brenton Woods&quot; meeting and the American dollar will no loner be the Reserve Currency&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This would be the ideal outcome for the long run, and I&#039;d like to see it.  I wouldn&#039;t bet on it, though, because of the immense systemic risk it poses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Zugzwang...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If indeed the US has to &#8220;sell&#8221; over a trillion in the next 12 months to keep up the pretense of not being bankrupt, how in heck is that going to happen in the evolving world climate?</i></p>
<p>If they didn&#8217;t, we&#8217;d all have to take the pain now, at a particularly inopportune moment, and everyone&#8217;s shown ample willingness to delay and worsen the inevitable to date.  Bretton Woods 2, as this has been called particularly by Setser, has been remarkably resilient despite it having an obviously awful outcome.</p>
<p><i>My take says that soon after Obama takes office there will be another &#8220;Brenton Woods&#8221; meeting and the American dollar will no loner be the Reserve Currency</i></p>
<p>This would be the ideal outcome for the long run, and I&#8217;d like to see it.  I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it, though, because of the immense systemic risk it poses.</p>
<p>Zugzwang&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question for you NDK, along the same line.  From what I am reading it seems that the only reason that the world is stillloaning us money is because of the Reserve Currency status of the American dollar.  What I remember of my macro economics tells me that the trillions going out the door in the past few months are going to hammer the underlying value of the dollar world wide...it just hasn&#039;t come around again on the guitar....  If indeed the US has to &quot;sell&quot; over a trillion in the next 12 months to keep up the pretense of not being bankrupt, how in heck is that going to happen in the evolving world climate?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My take says that soon after Obama takes office there will be another &quot;Brenton Woods&quot; meeting and the American dollar will no loner be the Reserve Currency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question for you NDK, along the same line.  From what I am reading it seems that the only reason that the world is stillloaning us money is because of the Reserve Currency status of the American dollar.  What I remember of my macro economics tells me that the trillions going out the door in the past few months are going to hammer the underlying value of the dollar world wide&#8230;it just hasn&#8217;t come around again on the guitar&#8230;.  If indeed the US has to &#8220;sell&#8221; over a trillion in the next 12 months to keep up the pretense of not being bankrupt, how in heck is that going to happen in the evolving world climate?</p>
<p>My take says that soon after Obama takes office there will be another &#8220;Brenton Woods&#8221; meeting and the American dollar will no loner be the Reserve Currency.</p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another posited source of forced buying that I omitted, and one more germane to the AIG explosion topic at hand, is T-bills might be the only accepted collateral posted under most CDS contracts.  I don&#039;t have any clue here, though other commentators here should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another posited source of forced buying that I omitted, and one more germane to the AIG explosion topic at hand, is T-bills might be the only accepted collateral posted under most CDS contracts.  I don&#8217;t have any clue here, though other commentators here should.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am confused NDK. Wouldn&#039;t someone have to buy those CDs? I think that is the problem that we are really going to have to face, the world is going to stop buying our debt....unless we force them. What incentive is there for the world to continue to prop up our increasingly vacuous economy?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We don&#039;t know who they&#039;d offer the CD&#039;s to, Anonymous, but it&#039;s very clear there&#039;s no shortage of people &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://treas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/debt-management/interest-rate/yield.shtml&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eager to lend money&lt;/a&gt; to the Federal Government right now.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A lot of this buying is forced and mechanical.  Countries that operate with a pegged currency, for example, have basically no choice.  They can either let their currency appreciate, or stop exporting much to us.  Neither is likely an acceptable choice for domestic reasons there.  CIC is petrified.  Full Treasury money market funds have no choice but to buy as well, as their own assets soar as retail gets scared.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s just such serious market dislocation that we have desperate borrowers and desperate lenders who are unable to come to terms with each other at prevailing interest rates.  It&#039;s really ugly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Fed can in effect forcibly make a market by absorbing the risk on its own balance sheet, but their balance sheet looks awful already.  Issuing CD&#039;s would make it slightly less awful in most scenarios, which is why I&#039;m in favor of this move, if they&#039;re going to make all their other moves.  Which I&#039;d not have done, but we&#039;re pretty far down that road already.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m feeling more neoclassical by the day, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am confused NDK. Wouldn&#8217;t someone have to buy those CDs? I think that is the problem that we are really going to have to face, the world is going to stop buying our debt&#8230;.unless we force them. What incentive is there for the world to continue to prop up our increasingly vacuous economy?</i></p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know who they&#8217;d offer the CD&#8217;s to, Anonymous, but it&#8217;s very clear there&#8217;s no shortage of people <a HREF="http://treas.gov/offices/domestic-finance/debt-management/interest-rate/yield.shtml" REL="nofollow">eager to lend money</a> to the Federal Government right now.</p>
<p>A lot of this buying is forced and mechanical.  Countries that operate with a pegged currency, for example, have basically no choice.  They can either let their currency appreciate, or stop exporting much to us.  Neither is likely an acceptable choice for domestic reasons there.  CIC is petrified.  Full Treasury money market funds have no choice but to buy as well, as their own assets soar as retail gets scared.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just such serious market dislocation that we have desperate borrowers and desperate lenders who are unable to come to terms with each other at prevailing interest rates.  It&#8217;s really ugly.</p>
<p>The Fed can in effect forcibly make a market by absorbing the risk on its own balance sheet, but their balance sheet looks awful already.  Issuing CD&#8217;s would make it slightly less awful in most scenarios, which is why I&#8217;m in favor of this move, if they&#8217;re going to make all their other moves.  Which I&#8217;d not have done, but we&#8217;re pretty far down that road already.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m feeling more neoclassical by the day, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God they had those retention bonuses. Could you imagine how bad it would be if they had people who did not know what they are doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God they had those retention bonuses. Could you imagine how bad it would be if they had people who did not know what they are doing?</p>
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