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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd the blowhards here, who love to stick it to the unions as the country goes down. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t you see you&#039;re knocking holes in the ship - that you also sail in?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, the notion that the UAW has uncompetitive wages is nothing more than one of those Republican &lt;b&gt;farts&lt;/b&gt; that passes for insight. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fact is, auto workers in the industrialized world (all countries much friendlier to the unions than the US of A, you ditto heads!) make more than the UAW. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The difference is not the UAW. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The difference is that the employers in this country pay for benefits, pensions and health care. In other industrialized countries, the govt picks up the tab. It makes it much easier for manufacturing to be competitive in those countries. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe those hordes of unemployed UAW folks will take to the streets and drag the lot of youse out of your cozy kitchens, and into the rough &amp; tough world that you obviously could stand to use a thing or two about. At the point of a pitchfork, I hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd the blowhards here, who love to stick it to the unions as the country goes down. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you see you&#8217;re knocking holes in the ship &#8211; that you also sail in?</p>
<p>Anyway, the notion that the UAW has uncompetitive wages is nothing more than one of those Republican <b>farts</b> that passes for insight. </p>
<p>Fact is, auto workers in the industrialized world (all countries much friendlier to the unions than the US of A, you ditto heads!) make more than the UAW. </p>
<p>The difference is not the UAW. </p>
<p>The difference is that the employers in this country pay for benefits, pensions and health care. In other industrialized countries, the govt picks up the tab. It makes it much easier for manufacturing to be competitive in those countries. </p>
<p>Maybe those hordes of unemployed UAW folks will take to the streets and drag the lot of youse out of your cozy kitchens, and into the rough &amp; tough world that you obviously could stand to use a thing or two about. At the point of a pitchfork, I hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all you supporting a GM bankruptcy, I can only say two words.  &lt;br/&gt;Dow 5000.  &lt;br/&gt;Remember it isn&#039;t just what americans think of GM, it&#039;s what the world thinks of GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all you supporting a GM bankruptcy, I can only say two words.  <br />Dow 5000.  <br />Remember it isn&#8217;t just what americans think of GM, it&#8217;s what the world thinks of GM.</p>
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		<title>By: artichoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would buy a car from a company that is reorganizing under bankruptcy protection, with stable DIP financing, before I would buy from a company that did not clearly have a future at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Look we all know these companies are bust and need a lot of help to survive.  Nobody is being fooled any more.  We need to see that there is a sustainable future for them.  The way to get there is Ch. 11 reorganization, so that the costs can really be rationalized.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Furthermore, if there is a requirement that GM cannot build normal large cars, I am unlikely to buy from them, because I like to buy large vehicles.  A way to make their future even tougher is to cripple them by not allowing them to build what the market wants, while Toyota, Honda etc. have more freedom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They build good cars now.  People are learning that.  I love my 2006 Chrysler, and the only reason I won&#039;t buy another soon is that I plan to keep this one a long time.  But the financial situation needs to be stabilized, and really stabilized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would buy a car from a company that is reorganizing under bankruptcy protection, with stable DIP financing, before I would buy from a company that did not clearly have a future at all.</p>
<p>Look we all know these companies are bust and need a lot of help to survive.  Nobody is being fooled any more.  We need to see that there is a sustainable future for them.  The way to get there is Ch. 11 reorganization, so that the costs can really be rationalized.</p>
<p>Furthermore, if there is a requirement that GM cannot build normal large cars, I am unlikely to buy from them, because I like to buy large vehicles.  A way to make their future even tougher is to cripple them by not allowing them to build what the market wants, while Toyota, Honda etc. have more freedom.</p>
<p>They build good cars now.  People are learning that.  I love my 2006 Chrysler, and the only reason I won&#8217;t buy another soon is that I plan to keep this one a long time.  But the financial situation needs to be stabilized, and really stabilized.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bailing out the auto industry does not make sense.....NONE of these bailouts make sense....we are only delaying the inevitable.....the economy is contracting rapidly!  The days of consuming MORE than we produce are QUICKLY coming to an end.  The more that is bailed out, the more sudden and painful the contraction is going to be.  All of our excesses need to be allowed to unwind.  Is it going to be painful?  Of course it is.  Lots of jobs are going to be lost....but this is going to happen no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bailing out the auto industry does not make sense&#8230;..NONE of these bailouts make sense&#8230;.we are only delaying the inevitable&#8230;..the economy is contracting rapidly!  The days of consuming MORE than we produce are QUICKLY coming to an end.  The more that is bailed out, the more sudden and painful the contraction is going to be.  All of our excesses need to be allowed to unwind.  Is it going to be painful?  Of course it is.  Lots of jobs are going to be lost&#8230;.but this is going to happen no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This advocacy of bankruptcy is more than a bit naive. A car is a very big commitment, particularly in our brave new world of less financing. Ask your buddies. Would they buy a car from a company that had filed for bankruptcy? You&#039;ll be surprised how negative the reaction is.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No buyers, no GM. Not hard to understand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus the idea you can take out GM and still have an US auto industry is also wrongheaded.  GM is a very big customer to a lot of auto parts suppliers. In bankruptcy, they are unsecured creditors, and get nada until the Ch. 11 is final.  A lot of them die in this process. The foreign transplants need them too, so they shutter.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just like finance, more integrated than you think, thanks to these extended supplier nets , and if one big player goes, they all eventually go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This advocacy of bankruptcy is more than a bit naive. A car is a very big commitment, particularly in our brave new world of less financing. Ask your buddies. Would they buy a car from a company that had filed for bankruptcy? You&#8217;ll be surprised how negative the reaction is.</p>
<p>No buyers, no GM. Not hard to understand.</p>
<p>Plus the idea you can take out GM and still have an US auto industry is also wrongheaded.  GM is a very big customer to a lot of auto parts suppliers. In bankruptcy, they are unsecured creditors, and get nada until the Ch. 11 is final.  A lot of them die in this process. The foreign transplants need them too, so they shutter.</p>
<p>Just like finance, more integrated than you think, thanks to these extended supplier nets , and if one big player goes, they all eventually go.</p>
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		<title>By: fairEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>fairEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can certainly quibble over details (like offering bondholders more than market value while workers get only market value) but Corker&#039;s proposal is broadly what all of us in contact with reality think is needed. GM can&#039;t carry its obligations and must go through some kind of bankruptcy procedure to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can certainly quibble over details (like offering bondholders more than market value while workers get only market value) but Corker&#8217;s proposal is broadly what all of us in contact with reality think is needed. GM can&#8217;t carry its obligations and must go through some kind of bankruptcy procedure to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What is that supposed to mean?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t get too hard on him.  He sounds like an Ivy League grad mindlessly sheep bleating the slogans programmed into him at his Maoist indoctrination sessions.  Here&#039;s a very good essay on the real Herbert Hoover, the true father of the &quot;New Deal&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.acting-man.com/2008/12/hoovers-heirs-at-work.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And for the record, I am not &quot;Acting Man&quot;, who claims to be a hedge fund trader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is that supposed to mean?</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get too hard on him.  He sounds like an Ivy League grad mindlessly sheep bleating the slogans programmed into him at his Maoist indoctrination sessions.  Here&#8217;s a very good essay on the real Herbert Hoover, the true father of the &#8220;New Deal&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.acting-man.com/2008/12/hoovers-heirs-at-work.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.acting-man.com/2008/12/hoovers-heirs-at-work.html</a></p>
<p>And for the record, I am not &#8220;Acting Man&#8221;, who claims to be a hedge fund trader.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll pass it. If they don&#039;t there is going to be a big explosion in the CDS market. I&#039;d love to see that though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll pass it. If they don&#8217;t there is going to be a big explosion in the CDS market. I&#8217;d love to see that though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parts of Ford Motor Company understand very well how to manufacture small cars with hyper-efficiency...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...outside the UAW&#039;s reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parts of Ford Motor Company understand very well how to manufacture small cars with hyper-efficiency&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189" rel="nofollow">http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189</a></p>
<p>&#8230;outside the UAW&#8217;s reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Herbert Hoover is so proud of Mitch McConnell.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What is that supposed to mean?  Herbert Hoover went on a government spending spree.  Take a look at the government purchases figures from 1929 - 1931.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Herbert Hoover is so proud of Mitch McConnell.</p>
<p>What is that supposed to mean?  Herbert Hoover went on a government spending spree.  Take a look at the government purchases figures from 1929 &#8211; 1931.</p>
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