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	<title>Comments on: China&#8217;s Exports Fell in November</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/chinas-exports-fell-in-november.html#comment-28563</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim that china’s growth may have shrunk to 5 percent as exports have slumped may of course be an optimistic view and needs to be put in context. South Korea has already reported an 18.3 percent drop in exports in November  and Taiwan reported on Monday that its exports in November fell 23.3 percent . This was the guy who in october is quoted as saying The Chinese economy won&#039;t experience big problems.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; At the Canton Fair recently we here that contracts signed were down 15.8 percent and into negative growth for the first time and this includes Machinery and Electronic goods trade which the world bank expects to continue growing. Wu Jianhai, a Wenzhou-born businessman pointed to the devaluation of the Euro as being a fatal strike on Chinese traders. Many companies have recently taken out big investment loans for expansion and new equipment and are struggling to pay debts, which hints at the involvement of vast investment fund flows that were going into China earlier in the year. When the likes of addidas shift production from China to Indonesia and Vietnam on volume declines causing a pricing tipping point, it does look like things may not be so rosy. Chinasavvy&#039;s Devereux agrees that the downturn is likely to push up quality because China will shift from being a seller&#039;s to a buyer&#039;s market, which in turn should hasten the decline of the low-margin manufacturer. This is perhaps a more sobering thought as China begins to compete on much better terms with global companies and begins to steal market share in areas where they have been weak.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This week we hear China&#039;s central bank drained 22 billion yuan  via 28-day bond repurchase operations which caused the Yen to rise. This comes just after Paulson went to visit last week. In contrast Gao Xiqing in an interview with James Fallows who overseas 200 billion of China’s 2 trillion in dollar holdings says he is betting against the dollar. It is also interesting that he sees that long term, pulling out of dollar assets might not be a bad thing, but points out that because US markets are the most viable and predictable he sees opportunities. His ultimate view is that the US should tell their people that they need to save and come out with a long-term sustainable financial policy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Non of what I am hearing bodes well for China in the short term or the US in the long term unless it accepts some painful adjustments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim that china’s growth may have shrunk to 5 percent as exports have slumped may of course be an optimistic view and needs to be put in context. South Korea has already reported an 18.3 percent drop in exports in November  and Taiwan reported on Monday that its exports in November fell 23.3 percent . This was the guy who in october is quoted as saying The Chinese economy won&#8217;t experience big problems.</p>
<p> At the Canton Fair recently we here that contracts signed were down 15.8 percent and into negative growth for the first time and this includes Machinery and Electronic goods trade which the world bank expects to continue growing. Wu Jianhai, a Wenzhou-born businessman pointed to the devaluation of the Euro as being a fatal strike on Chinese traders. Many companies have recently taken out big investment loans for expansion and new equipment and are struggling to pay debts, which hints at the involvement of vast investment fund flows that were going into China earlier in the year. When the likes of addidas shift production from China to Indonesia and Vietnam on volume declines causing a pricing tipping point, it does look like things may not be so rosy. Chinasavvy&#8217;s Devereux agrees that the downturn is likely to push up quality because China will shift from being a seller&#8217;s to a buyer&#8217;s market, which in turn should hasten the decline of the low-margin manufacturer. This is perhaps a more sobering thought as China begins to compete on much better terms with global companies and begins to steal market share in areas where they have been weak.</p>
<p>This week we hear China&#8217;s central bank drained 22 billion yuan  via 28-day bond repurchase operations which caused the Yen to rise. This comes just after Paulson went to visit last week. In contrast Gao Xiqing in an interview with James Fallows who overseas 200 billion of China’s 2 trillion in dollar holdings says he is betting against the dollar. It is also interesting that he sees that long term, pulling out of dollar assets might not be a bad thing, but points out that because US markets are the most viable and predictable he sees opportunities. His ultimate view is that the US should tell their people that they need to save and come out with a long-term sustainable financial policy.</p>
<p>Non of what I am hearing bodes well for China in the short term or the US in the long term unless it accepts some painful adjustments.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/chinas-exports-fell-in-november.html#comment-28528</link>
		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how. I mean, anyone who buys anything nowadays buys something from China. I looked and even the garlic at the supermarket comes from China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how. I mean, anyone who buys anything nowadays buys something from China. I looked and even the garlic at the supermarket comes from China.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/12/chinas-exports-fell-in-november.html#comment-28506</link>
		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is might not be such a big story for domestic fiscal policy, as this doesn&#039;t necessarily imply an outright decline in the amount of funding China can provide to the U.S.  Their imports are dropping even faster as commodities plunge.  It&#039;s more just evidence that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.dryships.com/index.cfm?get=report&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;trade continues to break down&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s quite remarkable to see trade collapse without any active policy preventing it -- encouraging trade, even!  &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/12/08/stories/2008120851610100.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;India&#039;s on the boat now&lt;/a&gt; -- even as shipping costs plunge and the same original misalignments remain.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It speaks volumes for the depths of this economic dislocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is might not be such a big story for domestic fiscal policy, as this doesn&#8217;t necessarily imply an outright decline in the amount of funding China can provide to the U.S.  Their imports are dropping even faster as commodities plunge.  It&#8217;s more just evidence that <a HREF="http://www.dryships.com/index.cfm?get=report" REL="nofollow">trade continues to break down</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite remarkable to see trade collapse without any active policy preventing it &#8212; encouraging trade, even!  <a HREF="http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/12/08/stories/2008120851610100.htm" REL="nofollow">India&#8217;s on the boat now</a> &#8212; even as shipping costs plunge and the same original misalignments remain.</p>
<p>It speaks volumes for the depths of this economic dislocation.</p>
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