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	<title>Comments on: VC Investors Defaulting on Capital Calls; PE Investors Just Say No</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenters so far don&#039;t seem to know why institutions aren&#039;t meeting commitments, so here goes: the big driver is what&#039;s known as the &quot;denominator effect&quot;.  Endowments have relatively fixed allocation percentages to different asset classes.  Most have been crushed in the last couple years on public equities, real estate, and other investments, which throws their allocations out of whack.  The progression of events is then: desist from making new private equity/VC commitments, do not meet capital calls on current commitments, and then even sell perfectly good positions in existing private equity and VC funds.  If they can, they will sell poorly performing positions first - if there are takers out there.  Since in this market there&#039;s not much liquidity for such positions, they are being forced to do other things.  Some major university endowments are way down for the year, with at least one of the biggies (wouldn&#039;t be polite to say) at risk of insolvency.  This is why a CalPERS might say &quot;if you want our business in future, you will not make capital calls til things settle down&quot;, and no, there is not a chance that the funds will sue.  That would be stupid.  CalPERS is not being malicious; they are freaking out like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenters so far don&#8217;t seem to know why institutions aren&#8217;t meeting commitments, so here goes: the big driver is what&#8217;s known as the &#8220;denominator effect&#8221;.  Endowments have relatively fixed allocation percentages to different asset classes.  Most have been crushed in the last couple years on public equities, real estate, and other investments, which throws their allocations out of whack.  The progression of events is then: desist from making new private equity/VC commitments, do not meet capital calls on current commitments, and then even sell perfectly good positions in existing private equity and VC funds.  If they can, they will sell poorly performing positions first &#8211; if there are takers out there.  Since in this market there&#8217;s not much liquidity for such positions, they are being forced to do other things.  Some major university endowments are way down for the year, with at least one of the biggies (wouldn&#8217;t be polite to say) at risk of insolvency.  This is why a CalPERS might say &#8220;if you want our business in future, you will not make capital calls til things settle down&#8221;, and no, there is not a chance that the funds will sue.  That would be stupid.  CalPERS is not being malicious; they are freaking out like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: foesskewered</title>
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		<dc:creator>foesskewered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queen probably sings it best; another one bites the dust, ok, to the power of 100 or so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;but honestly naren&#039;t these deep pocketed individuals and organisations best able to ride out the storm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queen probably sings it best; another one bites the dust, ok, to the power of 100 or so.</p>
<p>but honestly naren&#8217;t these deep pocketed individuals and organisations best able to ride out the storm?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yves,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Could not agree with you more. Rather than living within the Law, players spend more time and money trying to bend or buy the keepers of the Law, to make a profit. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a ex-sales executive here in Australia, I cannot count how many times I have had to fight those above me to work with in the law and not bend it. All because those above do not feel they had a win, with out being clever in the bending of the law or hoodwinking of a client. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Skippy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yves,</p>
<p>Could not agree with you more. Rather than living within the Law, players spend more time and money trying to bend or buy the keepers of the Law, to make a profit. </p>
<p>As a ex-sales executive here in Australia, I cannot count how many times I have had to fight those above me to work with in the law and not bend it. All because those above do not feel they had a win, with out being clever in the bending of the law or hoodwinking of a client. </p>
<p>Skippy</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yves Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeke,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;VC funds had their commitments reduced by 50% in the dot com bust, There is precedent here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for PE, even thought the fund charters were no doubt drafted so broadly as to permit having the fund use a capital call to replace maturing debt, that most certainly is NOT what the investors were promised or ever thought would happen. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And that is a general problem in our society. There is often a big gap between the sales pitch and what the fine print says. People too often rely on verbal, non-binding assurances from supposedly reputable parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeke,</p>
<p>VC funds had their commitments reduced by 50% in the dot com bust, There is precedent here.</p>
<p>As for PE, even thought the fund charters were no doubt drafted so broadly as to permit having the fund use a capital call to replace maturing debt, that most certainly is NOT what the investors were promised or ever thought would happen. </p>
<p>And that is a general problem in our society. There is often a big gap between the sales pitch and what the fine print says. People too often rely on verbal, non-binding assurances from supposedly reputable parties.</p>
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		<title>By: macndub</title>
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		<dc:creator>macndub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The endowments are in a tough spot.  Private equity fund limited partners (the ones who fund capital calls) get crammed down on their prior investment if they refuse a call.  This means that they need to be assured that the fund&#039;s current investments are actually underwater, and unlikely to recover, before refusing a call.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In most cases, it might make sense to suck it up and fund, just to get back to even in another 3 or 4 years.  I&#039;m not paid enough to make that call, though.  Might as well ask the Magic 8 Ball.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While tech-related private equity &amp; venture capital gets all the media attention, billions are invested into grassroots development opportunities by infrastructure, industrial, and resource funds.  The buyout funds provide little value, but when you need $300 million to develop a steel plant based on a new technology, it&#039;s good to have the funds around.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The story will probably end like the rest of the financial sector: much smaller, but better funds that actually add value.  That leaves little future for the big leveraged buyout operations, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The endowments are in a tough spot.  Private equity fund limited partners (the ones who fund capital calls) get crammed down on their prior investment if they refuse a call.  This means that they need to be assured that the fund&#39;s current investments are actually underwater, and unlikely to recover, before refusing a call.  </p>
<p>In most cases, it might make sense to suck it up and fund, just to get back to even in another 3 or 4 years.  I&#39;m not paid enough to make that call, though.  Might as well ask the Magic 8 Ball.</p>
<p>While tech-related private equity &amp; venture capital gets all the media attention, billions are invested into grassroots development opportunities by infrastructure, industrial, and resource funds.  The buyout funds provide little value, but when you need $300 million to develop a steel plant based on a new technology, it&#39;s good to have the funds around.</p>
<p>The story will probably end like the rest of the financial sector: much smaller, but better funds that actually add value.  That leaves little future for the big leveraged buyout operations, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one side of this story is really told in the article.  Presumably the banks, funds and individuals who are defaulting signed contracts that require them to meet their commitments. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words when they fail to cough up the money they have promised hey are breaking the contracts.  It&#039;s nice for authors to suggest that more funds need to &quot;get hardnosed&quot;, but breaking contracts has downside too. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t have a lot of sympathy for, say CalPERS, over the VCs.  CalPERS is one of the largest funds in the world.  They go around acting holier than though.  I still remember when some idiot CalPERS representative came to the annual meeting of the public company I worked for (revenue over $1 billion) and spent 10 minutes asking when we were going to get more minorities on the BOD.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Total freaking idiot who was only concerned with his politcally correct agenda and not with the business issues around the company that he had invested other people&#039;s money in. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hopefully the VCs and PEs sue and win big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one side of this story is really told in the article.  Presumably the banks, funds and individuals who are defaulting signed contracts that require them to meet their commitments. </p>
<p>In other words when they fail to cough up the money they have promised hey are breaking the contracts.  It&#8217;s nice for authors to suggest that more funds need to &#8220;get hardnosed&#8221;, but breaking contracts has downside too. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a lot of sympathy for, say CalPERS, over the VCs.  CalPERS is one of the largest funds in the world.  They go around acting holier than though.  I still remember when some idiot CalPERS representative came to the annual meeting of the public company I worked for (revenue over $1 billion) and spent 10 minutes asking when we were going to get more minorities on the BOD.  </p>
<p>Total freaking idiot who was only concerned with his politcally correct agenda and not with the business issues around the company that he had invested other people&#8217;s money in. </p>
<p>Hopefully the VCs and PEs sue and win big.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are the endowments insufficiently tough-minded?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I read that as:  Endowments are selling off the losers for whatever they can get (which they expect is more than letting it go to term even without delivering further capital calls.)&lt;br/&gt;Let&#039;s face it:  Lots of VCs are dead men walking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are the endowments insufficiently tough-minded?</i></p>
<p>I read that as:  Endowments are selling off the losers for whatever they can get (which they expect is more than letting it go to term even without delivering further capital calls.)<br />Let&#8217;s face it:  Lots of VCs are dead men walking.</p>
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		<title>By: eh</title>
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		<dc:creator>eh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So VC-ists act in their own self-interest -- who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So VC-ists act in their own self-interest &#8212; who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: capitalcalls</title>
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		<dc:creator>capitalcalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,&lt;br/&gt;That WSJ article is pretty skimpy on the details of LPs defaulting on capital calls.  Is WAMU really a good example?  I don&#039;t doubt that there will be more LPs not honoring capital calls since they are hurting but there isn&#039;t much evidence out there.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the VC business in general, the model is just fine.  The problem is that there&#039;s way too much money in VC right now.  If you look at the top quartile funds, they perform very well.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reason why there is so much money is because various unsophisticated money managers across the country (eg. teacher pension funds) either read Swensen&#039;s book or hired a consultant that read Swensen&#039;s book and decided to allocated a certain percentage of their fund to VC.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s the wrong way to invest in VC.  If you can&#039;t get into the Sequoias and Kleiners, putting your money in some other fund won&#039;t be the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the commenters getting excited about the Paul Graham model, what he&#039;s got going seems to be working well for him but there is very little overlap between the scale of his investments and the scale of early stage VC investments.  In my opinion, he doesn&#039;t seem to be competing directly with VC as he is with angel funding and other forms of seed capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,<br />That WSJ article is pretty skimpy on the details of LPs defaulting on capital calls.  Is WAMU really a good example?  I don&#8217;t doubt that there will be more LPs not honoring capital calls since they are hurting but there isn&#8217;t much evidence out there.  </p>
<p>As for the VC business in general, the model is just fine.  The problem is that there&#8217;s way too much money in VC right now.  If you look at the top quartile funds, they perform very well.  </p>
<p>The reason why there is so much money is because various unsophisticated money managers across the country (eg. teacher pension funds) either read Swensen&#8217;s book or hired a consultant that read Swensen&#8217;s book and decided to allocated a certain percentage of their fund to VC.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the wrong way to invest in VC.  If you can&#8217;t get into the Sequoias and Kleiners, putting your money in some other fund won&#8217;t be the same.</p>
<p>As for the commenters getting excited about the Paul Graham model, what he&#8217;s got going seems to be working well for him but there is very little overlap between the scale of his investments and the scale of early stage VC investments.  In my opinion, he doesn&#8217;t seem to be competing directly with VC as he is with angel funding and other forms of seed capital.</p>
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		<title>By: spare some change?</title>
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		<dc:creator>spare some change?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only kind of startup Paul Graham understands is the webby kind, and he&#039;s right, that kind of startup doesn&#039;t need capital any more.  It just needs sweat equity.  Software startups are in the same boat.  Better to spend $10,000 and six months on an entirely new niche than try to tackle an established niche where the entry costs are millions and the weird economics of software make it harder to jump in the larger the market is...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If he&#039;s going to generalize from that to any conceivable business venture, I think he&#039;s blowing smoke.  You can&#039;t build railroads, jet aircraft, space tourism ventures, without seed capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only kind of startup Paul Graham understands is the webby kind, and he&#8217;s right, that kind of startup doesn&#8217;t need capital any more.  It just needs sweat equity.  Software startups are in the same boat.  Better to spend $10,000 and six months on an entirely new niche than try to tackle an established niche where the entry costs are millions and the weird economics of software make it harder to jump in the larger the market is&#8230;</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s going to generalize from that to any conceivable business venture, I think he&#8217;s blowing smoke.  You can&#8217;t build railroads, jet aircraft, space tourism ventures, without seed capital.</p>
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