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		<title>By: bab</title>
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		<dc:creator>bab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mj, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You find one journalist who twice claims the word &quot;map&quot; was used, when others (and I have other references besides the Guardian article) are agreed on the point that &quot;map&quot; was not used.  I would question your source. If you Google &quot;mistranslatiion&quot; Ahmadinejad and &quot;wipe off the map&quot; and you will see other sources coming to the same conclusion as the Guardian article. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, as far as propaganda is concerned, a right wing group in Israel (I need to track down the link) has been actively feeding mistranslations to the Western media. So propaganda has been actively employed on the Western side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mj, </p>
<p>You find one journalist who twice claims the word &#8220;map&#8221; was used, when others (and I have other references besides the Guardian article) are agreed on the point that &#8220;map&#8221; was not used.  I would question your source. If you Google &#8220;mistranslatiion&#8221; Ahmadinejad and &#8220;wipe off the map&#8221; and you will see other sources coming to the same conclusion as the Guardian article. </p>
<p>Second, as far as propaganda is concerned, a right wing group in Israel (I need to track down the link) has been actively feeding mistranslations to the Western media. So propaganda has been actively employed on the Western side.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-11108.html#comment-32054</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bab-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other side-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Iranian journalist Kasra Naji translated this sentence from the original Farsi as follows: &quot;It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;former Iranian President Rafsanjani made the statement: &quot;If one day, a very important day of course, the Islamic world will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth, &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;On April 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad insisted that Israel was &quot;heading towards annihilation&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Iranian journalist Kasra Naji translated this sentence from the original Farsi as follows: &quot;It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Michael Axworthy served as the Head of the Iran Section of Britain&#039;s Foreign and Commonwealth Office in 1998-2000 and then subsequently as a lecturer at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter- Some of the dispute that has arisen over what exactly Ahmadinejad meant by it has been rather bogus. When the slogan appeared draped over missiles in military parades, that meaning was pretty clear&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seems fairly clear that some reasonable people are interpreting the comments a bit differently. And frankly, to assume what you say is true, is to assume that Iran lacks the capacity to understand what the alleged interpretation actually implies vis a vis their intent. The use of propaganda is well defined in Iranian history and I assert that this regime is way too media savvy to simply let a &quot;lost in translation&quot; excuse cover up original intent. Questioning Israel is absolutely just, but let&#039;s be VERY clear about how much credibility we&#039;re willing to assign an Iranian regime (the mullahs or as you assert, the real power) that commissioned an assassination attempt on the pope, that has repeatedly lied about its willingness and ability to develop processed uranium, as well its purpose, and a history of virulent terrorist support. Sorry- now we can get back to economics..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bab-</p>
<p>The other side-</p>
<p>&#8220;Iranian journalist Kasra Naji translated this sentence from the original Farsi as follows: &#8220;It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.&#8221; </p>
<p>former Iranian President Rafsanjani made the statement: &#8220;If one day, a very important day of course, the Islamic world will also be equipped with the weapons available to Israel now, the imperialist strategy will reach an impasse, because the employment of even one atomic bomb inside Israel will wipe it off the face of the earth, &#8220;</p>
<p>&#8220;On April 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad insisted that Israel was &#8220;heading towards annihilation&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Iranian journalist Kasra Naji translated this sentence from the original Farsi as follows: &#8220;It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Michael Axworthy served as the Head of the Iran Section of Britain&#8217;s Foreign and Commonwealth Office in 1998-2000 and then subsequently as a lecturer at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter- Some of the dispute that has arisen over what exactly Ahmadinejad meant by it has been rather bogus. When the slogan appeared draped over missiles in military parades, that meaning was pretty clear&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems fairly clear that some reasonable people are interpreting the comments a bit differently. And frankly, to assume what you say is true, is to assume that Iran lacks the capacity to understand what the alleged interpretation actually implies vis a vis their intent. The use of propaganda is well defined in Iranian history and I assert that this regime is way too media savvy to simply let a &#8220;lost in translation&#8221; excuse cover up original intent. Questioning Israel is absolutely just, but let&#8217;s be VERY clear about how much credibility we&#8217;re willing to assign an Iranian regime (the mullahs or as you assert, the real power) that commissioned an assassination attempt on the pope, that has repeatedly lied about its willingness and ability to develop processed uranium, as well its purpose, and a history of virulent terrorist support. Sorry- now we can get back to economics..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Yves were an animal, she&#039;d resemble that fox.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After all she is foxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Yves were an animal, she&#8217;d resemble that fox.</p>
<p>After all she is foxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-11108.html#comment-32046</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way regimes consolidate their hold on power during a crisis is to stir up patriotic feeling against an external enemy.  During (what is propagandized as) the moral equivalent of wartime, populations are willing to make sacrifices and bear hardships that would provoke serious unrest in normal times.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If China&#039;s leadership ever felt that there was no longer any good outcome possible in this crisis for their domestic economy, that a crash scenario was inevitable one way or the other, then they would probably engineer an outcome that allowed for blaming external forces, on their timetable and on their terms.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A sudden stop scenario, where China throws the US dollar under the bus, would fit the bill.  China&#039;s dollar reserves made worthless by default or inflation would then be blamed on American bad faith and deception.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If China ever felt that multi-year trillion dollar deficits and quantitative easing amounted to a slow-motion stealth attempt by the American side to achieve the same thing, and the US could not be persuaded to reconsider, then China just might preemptively pull the plug first.  There is no reason why they would agree to become the proverbial boiled frog that relaxed its muscles as the water temperature imperceptibly kept increasing.  Arguing that China has no choice but to keep buying US debt indefinitely is naive.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In this scenario, China might even unilaterally award itself compensation for its worthless dollar reserves in the form of confiscation of US intellectual property (trademarks, copyrights and patents), legitimizing its pirate industries in a stroke.  The precedent for this would be the United States&#039; confiscation of German intellectual property during World War I.  Creating global brands has been a high-priority but elusive policy goal; among other things, it would enable Chinese companies to capture the full profit margin of consumer sales rather than the pennies that are typically the lot of OEMs.  Suddenly higher profits would go a long way to reemploying a restive and disgruntled floating workforce.  The rest of the world would probably shrug their shoulders and go along with it, knowing that they were buying the same products made by the same Chinese factories as before, with only ownership of the brand being changed.  As music and software piracy have shown, consumers are supremely indifferent or even outright hostile to intellectual property owners who try to enforce their rights in ways that inconvenience them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Faith in a mutually-assured destruction stalemate is perhaps misplaced if one side can contrive to shape the destruction asymmetrically instead and feels that doing so is hardly any worse than any other possible outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way regimes consolidate their hold on power during a crisis is to stir up patriotic feeling against an external enemy.  During (what is propagandized as) the moral equivalent of wartime, populations are willing to make sacrifices and bear hardships that would provoke serious unrest in normal times.</p>
<p>If China&#8217;s leadership ever felt that there was no longer any good outcome possible in this crisis for their domestic economy, that a crash scenario was inevitable one way or the other, then they would probably engineer an outcome that allowed for blaming external forces, on their timetable and on their terms.</p>
<p>A sudden stop scenario, where China throws the US dollar under the bus, would fit the bill.  China&#8217;s dollar reserves made worthless by default or inflation would then be blamed on American bad faith and deception.</p>
<p>If China ever felt that multi-year trillion dollar deficits and quantitative easing amounted to a slow-motion stealth attempt by the American side to achieve the same thing, and the US could not be persuaded to reconsider, then China just might preemptively pull the plug first.  There is no reason why they would agree to become the proverbial boiled frog that relaxed its muscles as the water temperature imperceptibly kept increasing.  Arguing that China has no choice but to keep buying US debt indefinitely is naive.</p>
<p>In this scenario, China might even unilaterally award itself compensation for its worthless dollar reserves in the form of confiscation of US intellectual property (trademarks, copyrights and patents), legitimizing its pirate industries in a stroke.  The precedent for this would be the United States&#8217; confiscation of German intellectual property during World War I.  Creating global brands has been a high-priority but elusive policy goal; among other things, it would enable Chinese companies to capture the full profit margin of consumer sales rather than the pennies that are typically the lot of OEMs.  Suddenly higher profits would go a long way to reemploying a restive and disgruntled floating workforce.  The rest of the world would probably shrug their shoulders and go along with it, knowing that they were buying the same products made by the same Chinese factories as before, with only ownership of the brand being changed.  As music and software piracy have shown, consumers are supremely indifferent or even outright hostile to intellectual property owners who try to enforce their rights in ways that inconvenience them.</p>
<p>Faith in a mutually-assured destruction stalemate is perhaps misplaced if one side can contrive to shape the destruction asymmetrically instead and feels that doing so is hardly any worse than any other possible outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bab, &lt;br/&gt;It is no small irony that there is much more vigorous give-and-take about Israel within Israel than Israel&#039;s ethnic supporters permit here in the US. For example here is Haaretz pointing out that the IDF released 2007 footage on the sly to justify one of the recent tragic bombings.&lt;br/&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Our domestic US media dare not be so venturesome, and as we see here even a polite interweb criticism of Bush&#039;s US foreign policy in the middle east draws growls and snarls of a certain kind of racism from certain of our fellow citizens. Sad.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One might also ask, does any of this relate to a blog on capitalism? Yes, it does; the same kind of hypocrisy and unwillingness to play fair, with a modicum of self-restraint, has contributed mightily to the economic fix in which we now also find ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bab, <br />It is no small irony that there is much more vigorous give-and-take about Israel within Israel than Israel&#8217;s ethnic supporters permit here in the US. For example here is Haaretz pointing out that the IDF released 2007 footage on the sly to justify one of the recent tragic bombings.<br /><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html</a></p>
<p>Our domestic US media dare not be so venturesome, and as we see here even a polite interweb criticism of Bush&#8217;s US foreign policy in the middle east draws growls and snarls of a certain kind of racism from certain of our fellow citizens. Sad.</p>
<p>One might also ask, does any of this relate to a blog on capitalism? Yes, it does; the same kind of hypocrisy and unwillingness to play fair, with a modicum of self-restraint, has contributed mightily to the economic fix in which we now also find ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: bab</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-11108.html#comment-32040</link>
		<dc:creator>bab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, Anyone who invokes Ahmadinejad as a threat has just revealed his utter cluelessness about the Middle East. Ahmadinejad is a figurehead with no power.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and as for his oft quoted remark that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map? It&#039;s a mistranslation.  From the Guardian:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;So there we have it. Starting with Juan Cole, and going via the New York Times&#039; experts through MEMRI to the BBC&#039;s monitors, the consensus is that Ahmadinejad did not talk about any maps. He was, as I insisted in my original piece, offering a vague wish for the future.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;A very last point. The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of &quot;the regime occupying Jerusalem&quot; - with the fall of the Shah&#039;s regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970&#039;s he surely did not favour Iran&#039;s removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anon, you undermine your case by trying to stuff distortions down other people&#039;s throats and brand everyone who questions Israel&#039;s neocon tactics as anti-Israel. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Israel has clearly lost sight of what is at stake here and is handing a huge strategic win to its opponents with these repeated errors. It isn&#039;t anti-Israel to point out the country is shooting itself in the foot.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact, these over-the-top, often ad hominem attacks are so desperate sounding that they create the impression that you don&#039;t have a case to make absent name calling and histrionics. If you were factual and measured, you&#039;d persuade a lot more people. The sort of salvo you tried is self-defeating.  Oddly parallel to Israel&#039;s program in Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, Anyone who invokes Ahmadinejad as a threat has just revealed his utter cluelessness about the Middle East. Ahmadinejad is a figurehead with no power.</p>
<p>Oh, and as for his oft quoted remark that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map? It&#8217;s a mistranslation.  From the Guardian:</p>
<p>&#8220;So there we have it. Starting with Juan Cole, and going via the New York Times&#8217; experts through MEMRI to the BBC&#8217;s monitors, the consensus is that Ahmadinejad did not talk about any maps. He was, as I insisted in my original piece, offering a vague wish for the future.</p>
<p>&#8220;A very last point. The fact that he compared his desired option &#8211; the elimination of &#8220;the regime occupying Jerusalem&#8221; &#8211; with the fall of the Shah&#8217;s regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970&#8217;s he surely did not favour Iran&#8217;s removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155</a></p>
<p>Anon, you undermine your case by trying to stuff distortions down other people&#8217;s throats and brand everyone who questions Israel&#8217;s neocon tactics as anti-Israel. </p>
<p>Israel has clearly lost sight of what is at stake here and is handing a huge strategic win to its opponents with these repeated errors. It isn&#8217;t anti-Israel to point out the country is shooting itself in the foot.</p>
<p>In fact, these over-the-top, often ad hominem attacks are so desperate sounding that they create the impression that you don&#8217;t have a case to make absent name calling and histrionics. If you were factual and measured, you&#8217;d persuade a lot more people. The sort of salvo you tried is self-defeating.  Oddly parallel to Israel&#8217;s program in Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long will it be before we find references to President Obushma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long will it be before we find references to President Obushma?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to Bush, i didn&#039;t know modern hegemonic cryptofascists had any principles other than to rule.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Skippy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to Bush, i didn&#8217;t know modern hegemonic cryptofascists had any principles other than to rule.  </p>
<p>Skippy</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowe</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-11108.html#comment-32035</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anon&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yesssiree, anything to hurt Israel, that&#039;s US policy in a nutshell. Blockade their ports, freeze their assets, don&#039;t sell them US weapons. Bush was the worst. Wouldn&#039;t let them start a shooting war with Iran. Darn it.</description>
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<p>Yesssiree, anything to hurt Israel, that&#8217;s US policy in a nutshell. Blockade their ports, freeze their assets, don&#8217;t sell them US weapons. Bush was the worst. Wouldn&#8217;t let them start a shooting war with Iran. Darn it.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-11108.html#comment-32027</link>
		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t miss Buiter&#039;s latest.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, anonymous.  He totally scooped me.  Belh.  I&#039;ve &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://ndknotepad.blogspot.com/2009/01/zen-and-art-of-printing-confidence.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written a few thoughts&lt;/a&gt; on it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don&#8217;t miss Buiter&#8217;s latest.</i></p>
<p>Thanks, anonymous.  He totally scooped me.  Belh.  I&#8217;ve <a HREF="http://ndknotepad.blogspot.com/2009/01/zen-and-art-of-printing-confidence.html" REL="nofollow">written a few thoughts</a> on it anyway.</p>
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