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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31471</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone earlier in this thread posited a value of $13K per oz of gold based on GDP figures...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Might I humbly suggest that by the time this is all over, GDP will have proven to be a bubble like everything else.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are lots of trades that would not contribute to GDP in a truly free market.  Market commentators, who serve masters that rely on more and more resources coming under the control of Money would have you believe that nobody will be able eat or find shelter without those green pieces of paper.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We need to take Money out of the equation for the basic needs of life.  This could be socialism, anarchy, punitive taxation under a capitalist regime, whatever.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If people stopped using unearned wealth to purchase beads and whiskey, you&#039;d be looking at a very different economy with much more self-reliance, and energy and materials efficiency on the individual scale.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;30 kilotonnes of gold above ground translates to 5 grams of gold for everyone on earth.  Most of them would not need it if they were self-sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone earlier in this thread posited a value of $13K per oz of gold based on GDP figures&#8230;</p>
<p>Might I humbly suggest that by the time this is all over, GDP will have proven to be a bubble like everything else.</p>
<p>There are lots of trades that would not contribute to GDP in a truly free market.  Market commentators, who serve masters that rely on more and more resources coming under the control of Money would have you believe that nobody will be able eat or find shelter without those green pieces of paper.</p>
<p>We need to take Money out of the equation for the basic needs of life.  This could be socialism, anarchy, punitive taxation under a capitalist regime, whatever.</p>
<p>If people stopped using unearned wealth to purchase beads and whiskey, you&#8217;d be looking at a very different economy with much more self-reliance, and energy and materials efficiency on the individual scale.</p>
<p>30 kilotonnes of gold above ground translates to 5 grams of gold for everyone on earth.  Most of them would not need it if they were self-sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31470</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Lewis and Einhorn (now there&#039;s a combination) read NC and closely...I saw a lot in the article that came across in comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Lewis and Einhorn (now there&#8217;s a combination) read NC and closely&#8230;I saw a lot in the article that came across in comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31467</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew Bissell,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I see it as just one more attempt to introduce complexity in an already overly complicated system.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Faster, harder, bigger exponential failure in ever increasingly shorter time frames. I liken it to the fly, used for their short life cycle in order to view genetic out comes. We are introducing this shorter time line in our our activity&#039;s via better tools/efficiency on a incressing scale and as far as I can see its not working out so well for the human race.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Remember the Universe makes the rules not the other way around. We befoul that which gives us life for momentary/monetary gratification on a one life time scale. If we are the fly and the scientist is watching, I would bet he is scratching his head right now. To what end is this behaver productive in regards to its species continuation/evolution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Exponential out comes with human activity&#039;s is getting on the high end of scale and I believe all here understand that simple mathematical out come. Thats the Universe at work, try and bend its rules and suffer.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Other than that hope you are well Andrew.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Skippy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew Bissell,</p>
<p>I see it as just one more attempt to introduce complexity in an already overly complicated system.</p>
<p>Faster, harder, bigger exponential failure in ever increasingly shorter time frames. I liken it to the fly, used for their short life cycle in order to view genetic out comes. We are introducing this shorter time line in our our activity&#8217;s via better tools/efficiency on a incressing scale and as far as I can see its not working out so well for the human race.</p>
<p>Remember the Universe makes the rules not the other way around. We befoul that which gives us life for momentary/monetary gratification on a one life time scale. If we are the fly and the scientist is watching, I would bet he is scratching his head right now. To what end is this behaver productive in regards to its species continuation/evolution.</p>
<p>Exponential out comes with human activity&#8217;s is getting on the high end of scale and I believe all here understand that simple mathematical out come. Thats the Universe at work, try and bend its rules and suffer.</p>
<p>Other than that hope you are well Andrew.</p>
<p>Skippy</p>
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		<title>By: john bougearel</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31459</link>
		<dc:creator>john bougearel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henny-Penny says something must be done, because the sky-is-falling on the ditching of the gold standard and Bretton Woods. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I believe Henny because at this rate, all governments with keynesian and monetarist policies stacked on top of trade deficit policies are at risk of defaulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henny-Penny says something must be done, because the sky-is-falling on the ditching of the gold standard and Bretton Woods. </p>
<p>And I believe Henny because at this rate, all governments with keynesian and monetarist policies stacked on top of trade deficit policies are at risk of defaulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31445</link>
		<dc:creator>Timo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any lack of democracy cannot be bought back even with piles of gold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any lack of democracy cannot be bought back even with piles of gold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31441</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes the authorities could mess with the value, but there would at least be some visable benchmark, and therefore a reason for the masses to make them more responsible.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess we have a choice between Announcements from Authority re: &quot;visible benchmarks&quot;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Comrade citizens!  Look at this pile of otherwise completely useless gold!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;vs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;We proudly inaugurate this brand spanking new suspension bridge, linking two communities like a pair of hands!  Both form _and_ function are beautiful, are they not?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes the authorities could mess with the value, but there would at least be some visable benchmark, and therefore a reason for the masses to make them more responsible.</i></p>
<p>I guess we have a choice between Announcements from Authority re: &#8220;visible benchmarks&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Comrade citizens!  Look at this pile of otherwise completely useless gold!&#8221;</p>
<p>vs.</p>
<p>&#8220;We proudly inaugurate this brand spanking new suspension bridge, linking two communities like a pair of hands!  Both form _and_ function are beautiful, are they not?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wintermute</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31434</link>
		<dc:creator>wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bundle gold, silver,platinum (et. al) into a metals &quot;basket&quot; (not unlike the weighted components of the dollar index) and there will be plenty of backing for a hard currency. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One reason gold convertability had such a hard time in the 1800&#039;s was lack of proper long-distance communications. In our digital age we can make this work now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bundle gold, silver,platinum (et. al) into a metals &#8220;basket&#8221; (not unlike the weighted components of the dollar index) and there will be plenty of backing for a hard currency. </p>
<p>One reason gold convertability had such a hard time in the 1800&#8217;s was lack of proper long-distance communications. In our digital age we can make this work now.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31415</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ever the need for transparency, gold and silver would give it.  Yes the authorities could mess with the value, but there would at least be some visable benchmark, and therefore a reason for the masses to make them more responsible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  JustinTheSkeptic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ever the need for transparency, gold and silver would give it.  Yes the authorities could mess with the value, but there would at least be some visable benchmark, and therefore a reason for the masses to make them more responsible.</p>
<p>  JustinTheSkeptic</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31413</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fight-o-meter aka &#039;Recent Comments&#039; is bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fight-o-meter aka &#8216;Recent Comments&#8217; is bust.</p>
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		<title>By: Moopheus</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/links-1608.html#comment-31411</link>
		<dc:creator>Moopheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; everybody else should scrap their fiat currencies &quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, it occurs to me that there&#039;s a benefit--we peg the dollar at some huge value, say $5000 to the ounce of gold. This would cause the dollar, and our debt, to be hugely devalued immediately relative to other currencies. Of course, we&#039;d never be able to import another thing ever, but so what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; everybody else should scrap their fiat currencies &#8220;</p>
<p>No, it occurs to me that there&#8217;s a benefit&#8211;we peg the dollar at some huge value, say $5000 to the ounce of gold. This would cause the dollar, and our debt, to be hugely devalued immediately relative to other currencies. Of course, we&#8217;d never be able to import another thing ever, but so what.</p>
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