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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannot simply pretend to be the fairy godmother, wave a magic wand of low cost capital around and expect banks to start lending. There&#039;s a negative feedback loop destroying value in the economy. The process is explained well by Fisher&#039;s Debt Deflation thesis. The negative feedback loop will only be broken when the liquidation of distressed assets comes to an end. Therefore, in order to avoid the so called &quot;zombie Japanese bank&quot; phenomenon, debt restructuring must play an integral role in the overall process. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As recently as last month, the Treasury was saying the banking system was more than adequately capitalized. It&#039;s the fear of future loss that&#039;s keeping a lid on lending, not necessarily current levels of capital adequacy. If it was strictly a matter of boosting bank capital, then why didn&#039;t the original TARP program put a dent in the problem? The banks remain risk averse -- they simply took TARP funds and invested in Tresuries.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;According to my understanding of Fisher, the solution should be to restructure/eliminate the bad and nonperforming assets,putting a floor under asset deflation. This then sets the stage for reflation which restores confidence and the willingness to lend.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The idea of &quot;bailing&quot; out banks is to prevent a massive contraction in the money supply and a 1930s style economic depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannot simply pretend to be the fairy godmother, wave a magic wand of low cost capital around and expect banks to start lending. There&#8217;s a negative feedback loop destroying value in the economy. The process is explained well by Fisher&#8217;s Debt Deflation thesis. The negative feedback loop will only be broken when the liquidation of distressed assets comes to an end. Therefore, in order to avoid the so called &#8220;zombie Japanese bank&#8221; phenomenon, debt restructuring must play an integral role in the overall process. </p>
<p>As recently as last month, the Treasury was saying the banking system was more than adequately capitalized. It&#8217;s the fear of future loss that&#8217;s keeping a lid on lending, not necessarily current levels of capital adequacy. If it was strictly a matter of boosting bank capital, then why didn&#8217;t the original TARP program put a dent in the problem? The banks remain risk averse &#8212; they simply took TARP funds and invested in Tresuries.</p>
<p>According to my understanding of Fisher, the solution should be to restructure/eliminate the bad and nonperforming assets,putting a floor under asset deflation. This then sets the stage for reflation which restores confidence and the willingness to lend.</p>
<p>The idea of &#8220;bailing&#8221; out banks is to prevent a massive contraction in the money supply and a 1930s style economic depression.</p>
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		<title>By: binkleys</title>
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		<dc:creator>binkleys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anecdotal i know.. but its dead easy to borrow in the USA right now, even jumbo.  rates arent that bad.  All you need is good credit and a downpayment and they will give you whatever you want.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;all i can think is that when they talk about getting credit flowing they mean to bad risks and likely defaulters.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;here in AZ prices on houses still way too high, long way to go yet short a &#039;miracle&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anecdotal i know.. but its dead easy to borrow in the USA right now, even jumbo.  rates arent that bad.  All you need is good credit and a downpayment and they will give you whatever you want.</p>
<p>all i can think is that when they talk about getting credit flowing they mean to bad risks and likely defaulters.</p>
<p>here in AZ prices on houses still way too high, long way to go yet short a &#8216;miracle&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Europeans still seem to be under the impresison that the U.S. caused this crisis, and continue to play the blame game (always very popular in Europpe). As if it was the U.S. that told European banks to get into Eastern Europe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This was a crisis growing organically on a global scale independently of what the U.S. did or did not do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Vinny Goldberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Europeans still seem to be under the impresison that the U.S. caused this crisis, and continue to play the blame game (always very popular in Europpe). As if it was the U.S. that told European banks to get into Eastern Europe.</p>
<p>This was a crisis growing organically on a global scale independently of what the U.S. did or did not do.</p>
<p>Vinny Goldberg</p>
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		<title>By: M.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rocky Horror Picture (PPIP) Show at http://mgiannini.blogspot.com/2009/03/rocky-horror-picture-ppip-show.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rocky Horror Picture (PPIP) Show at <a href="http://mgiannini.blogspot.com/2009/03/rocky-horror-picture-ppip-show.html" rel="nofollow">http://mgiannini.blogspot.com/2009/03/rocky-horror-picture-ppip-show.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Swedish Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swedish Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping to be able to write a guest post on this topic over the week end but ran out of time. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It does however not seem that we will be running out of topics anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping to be able to write a guest post on this topic over the week end but ran out of time. </p>
<p>It does however not seem that we will be running out of topics anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, the Americans, are trying to hang on to our &quot;top dog&quot; status.  While others are trying to pull us down.  The world supremacy is what Obama, Geithner, Summers are trying to retain for the US.  This is a tough task.  Remember W loved to state to the lesser nations that &quot;all options are on the table&quot; -- referring to our military might, our political maneuverability, and our economic influence.  The disastrous wars in Iraq, and Afghan revealed the limitations to our military, exhausted all of our political good will and capitals.  And now the implosion of the Wall Street banksters damaged the remaining option of economic influence.  No wonder we are in a state of confidence-deficit.  The old guards know it.  The new guards know it.  And they all want to do something about it.  Interesting time indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, the Americans, are trying to hang on to our &#8220;top dog&#8221; status.  While others are trying to pull us down.  The world supremacy is what Obama, Geithner, Summers are trying to retain for the US.  This is a tough task.  Remember W loved to state to the lesser nations that &#8220;all options are on the table&#8221; &#8212; referring to our military might, our political maneuverability, and our economic influence.  The disastrous wars in Iraq, and Afghan revealed the limitations to our military, exhausted all of our political good will and capitals.  And now the implosion of the Wall Street banksters damaged the remaining option of economic influence.  No wonder we are in a state of confidence-deficit.  The old guards know it.  The new guards know it.  And they all want to do something about it.  Interesting time indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Swedish lex&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interesting take.  I hope you don&#039;t mind but I cited you in a letter to William Greider (The Nation) with the main points of your post in hopes of eliciting his opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Swedish lex</p>
<p>Interesting take.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind but I cited you in a letter to William Greider (The Nation) with the main points of your post in hopes of eliciting his opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Obama Administration will be, more or less and directly or indirectly, controlling those institutions. Obama (Summers, Geithner, etc.) will thus be commander in chief of the U.S. financial system too.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If so, then let&#039;s put the top exec bastards at all these firms on GS-level pay.  I say the top end should be GS-13.  It is FAR more equitable to pay them GS wages as opposed to Robber Baron/Marie Antoinette compensation...though they DO deserve the Antoinette &lt;i&gt;ending&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Obama Administration will be, more or less and directly or indirectly, controlling those institutions. Obama (Summers, Geithner, etc.) will thus be commander in chief of the U.S. financial system too.</i></p>
<p>If so, then let&#8217;s put the top exec bastards at all these firms on GS-level pay.  I say the top end should be GS-13.  It is FAR more equitable to pay them GS wages as opposed to Robber Baron/Marie Antoinette compensation&#8230;though they DO deserve the Antoinette <i>ending</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swedish Lex  your comments regarding the likes of Citibank being a financial aircraft carrier is very interesting. It is the best explanation for the actions of the Obama administration besides venality or a brain dead adherence to failed ideology but out by Summers and Co in the 90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swedish Lex  your comments regarding the likes of Citibank being a financial aircraft carrier is very interesting. It is the best explanation for the actions of the Obama administration besides venality or a brain dead adherence to failed ideology but out by Summers and Co in the 90&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is that we blindly accept the proposition that a bank with toxic assets is going cut back its lending?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Clearly if they don&#039;t have enough capital they are forced by regulations to reduce their lending. But there is no evidence that every bank in the US is under capitalized so why are those that  not picking up the slack and taking this opportunity of making &quot;good loans&quot;. Is it possible because nobody knows anymore what a &quot;good loan&quot; is. But owning or not owning a toxic asset has nothing to do with establishing that knowledge. It raises the more important question of why we are trying to rehabilitate the banks with Toxic assets rather than pump up those without them through injections of cheap capital.(including chartering brand new banks)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Secondly, sufficient capital is not a universal constant. It is something that regulators came up with- and what they gave they can change. I find it particularly insane that a bank needs to have the same level of regulatory capital before and after they have taken a large write off. Either they were under capitalized prior to write off or they are over capitalized after it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words the Toxic assets are an issue only if you are trying to preserve the previous financial structure. It has nothing to do with the needs of the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is that we blindly accept the proposition that a bank with toxic assets is going cut back its lending?</p>
<p>Clearly if they don&#8217;t have enough capital they are forced by regulations to reduce their lending. But there is no evidence that every bank in the US is under capitalized so why are those that  not picking up the slack and taking this opportunity of making &#8220;good loans&#8221;. Is it possible because nobody knows anymore what a &#8220;good loan&#8221; is. But owning or not owning a toxic asset has nothing to do with establishing that knowledge. It raises the more important question of why we are trying to rehabilitate the banks with Toxic assets rather than pump up those without them through injections of cheap capital.(including chartering brand new banks)</p>
<p>Secondly, sufficient capital is not a universal constant. It is something that regulators came up with- and what they gave they can change. I find it particularly insane that a bank needs to have the same level of regulatory capital before and after they have taken a large write off. Either they were under capitalized prior to write off or they are over capitalized after it. </p>
<p>In other words the Toxic assets are an issue only if you are trying to preserve the previous financial structure. It has nothing to do with the needs of the economy.</p>
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