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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;William Black - Deceptive &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://tinyurl.com/d6d3cq&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;William Black admits at the above that the Prompt Corrective Action  (PCA) &lt;b&gt;does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; apply to holding companies,&lt;/b&gt; but on Bill Moyer he indicates it does.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The &lt;b&gt;major bailouts are going to holding companies&lt;/b&gt;, Citigroup, Bank of America, etc that have both commercial banks (FDIC) and investment banks (SEC &amp; CFTC - &lt;b&gt;voluntary&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;GAO reports that there was no authority to take over the investment banks, but the Federal Reserve can provide money if the bank is a threat to the economy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09232g.pdf&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FINANCIAL REGULATION&lt;/a&gt;: A Framework for Crafting and Assessing Proposals to Modernize the Outdated U.S. Financial Regulatory System, GAO-09-216, &lt;br/&gt;January 2009 &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On March 26, 2008, Geithner proposed regulations to increase authority &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Under current law, &lt;b&gt;no regulator has the authority&lt;/b&gt; to essentially take over a troubled bank holding company—conglomerates with a wide range of financial operations—the way the government routinely does with smaller, commercial banks.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some Republicans voiced opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>William Black &#8211; Deceptive </b></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/d6d3cq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/d6d3cq</a></p>
<p>William Black admits at the above that the Prompt Corrective Action  (PCA) <b>does <i>not</i> apply to holding companies,</b> but on Bill Moyer he indicates it does.  </p>
<p>The <b>major bailouts are going to holding companies</b>, Citigroup, Bank of America, etc that have both commercial banks (FDIC) and investment banks (SEC &amp; CFTC &#8211; <b>voluntary</b>)</p>
<p>GAO reports that there was no authority to take over the investment banks, but the Federal Reserve can provide money if the bank is a threat to the economy.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09232g.pdf" REL="nofollow">FINANCIAL REGULATION</a>: A Framework for Crafting and Assessing Proposals to Modernize the Outdated U.S. Financial Regulatory System, GAO-09-216, <br />January 2009 </p>
<p>On March 26, 2008, Geithner proposed regulations to increase authority </p>
<p>&#8220;Under current law, <b>no regulator has the authority</b> to essentially take over a troubled bank holding company—conglomerates with a wide range of financial operations—the way the government routinely does with smaller, commercial banks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some Republicans voiced opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a derivatives trader and one who knows some of the AIG-FP traders in question, I can confidently state that the argument over the efficacy of the latest bonuses is misguided.  The wheels are already in motion...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whether or not they get these bonuses, the top talent at AIG-FP will leave.  There will be no more big pay days -- that is the bottom line.  More importantly, who would work at such a reviled company unless they really had to? Saying you&#039;re now a trader at AIG-FP is similar to saying you work at Madoff Securities of Enron. Many already have left and others are just waiting for this last bit of renumeration. Most don&#039;t need another job or can afford to wait until the market picks up. The others, who are not so wealthy or in demand, will stay regardless of what happens and take any salary given, bonus or no bonus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, whether they get this bonus or not, the result will be the same: the so called &quot;stars&quot; will leave and AIG will be left with those who have to stay to take care of cleaning up their portfolios.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, there is no strategic reason to pay these latest bonuses . It is just more money down the drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a derivatives trader and one who knows some of the AIG-FP traders in question, I can confidently state that the argument over the efficacy of the latest bonuses is misguided.  The wheels are already in motion&#8230;</p>
<p>Whether or not they get these bonuses, the top talent at AIG-FP will leave.  There will be no more big pay days &#8212; that is the bottom line.  More importantly, who would work at such a reviled company unless they really had to? Saying you&#8217;re now a trader at AIG-FP is similar to saying you work at Madoff Securities of Enron. Many already have left and others are just waiting for this last bit of renumeration. Most don&#8217;t need another job or can afford to wait until the market picks up. The others, who are not so wealthy or in demand, will stay regardless of what happens and take any salary given, bonus or no bonus.</p>
<p>So, whether they get this bonus or not, the result will be the same: the so called &#8220;stars&#8221; will leave and AIG will be left with those who have to stay to take care of cleaning up their portfolios.</p>
<p>So, there is no strategic reason to pay these latest bonuses . It is just more money down the drain.</p>
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		<title>By: Peripheral Visionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peripheral Visionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 9:26:  &quot;His story is like every other friend who finds themselves working in govt now. that law school/politics/govt think is a tired stereotype.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oddly enough, my observation is that second-careers are more likely among younger members of gov&#039;t than older ones; and much more likely than those in positions of influence.  In my own agency, it is people my age (30&#039;s) who are most likely to have worked in another field; go up the ladder to higher positions and go up to older employees, and a majority have never been outside of government or government-related positions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The law school/politics/gov&#039;t thing may be a tired stereotype, but I see plenty of it in my own agency, and I see plenty of it in the Obama appointees (and in Obama himself.)  There seems to be a growing sympathy for a European-style technocracy; an elite class of government servants unencumbered with connections to the private sector.  I think that&#039;s a serious mistake, and Europe does not seem to be faring any better in this crisis even with its supposedly superior public servants.  Government needs more people with private-sector hands-on experience; and while I see some of that coming in at the lower levels, there is still precious little at the higher levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 9:26:  &#8220;His story is like every other friend who finds themselves working in govt now. that law school/politics/govt think is a tired stereotype.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oddly enough, my observation is that second-careers are more likely among younger members of gov&#8217;t than older ones; and much more likely than those in positions of influence.  In my own agency, it is people my age (30&#8217;s) who are most likely to have worked in another field; go up the ladder to higher positions and go up to older employees, and a majority have never been outside of government or government-related positions.</p>
<p>The law school/politics/gov&#8217;t thing may be a tired stereotype, but I see plenty of it in my own agency, and I see plenty of it in the Obama appointees (and in Obama himself.)  There seems to be a growing sympathy for a European-style technocracy; an elite class of government servants unencumbered with connections to the private sector.  I think that&#8217;s a serious mistake, and Europe does not seem to be faring any better in this crisis even with its supposedly superior public servants.  Government needs more people with private-sector hands-on experience; and while I see some of that coming in at the lower levels, there is still precious little at the higher levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all about one-upmanship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;AIG and their Wall Street cohorts told the American public, &quot;Just to prove we are smart and you are stupid, we are going to enrich ourselves, live like gods, rip you off and there is nothing you little people can do about it&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Our elected dear leaders said, &quot;Oh yeah! Well, we will show you! We will just pay for all of your losses with the little people&#039;s money, so put that in your pipe and smoke it AIG.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll let you decide who won this little contest.&lt;br/&gt;                  - Avg John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all about one-upmanship.</p>
<p>AIG and their Wall Street cohorts told the American public, &#8220;Just to prove we are smart and you are stupid, we are going to enrich ourselves, live like gods, rip you off and there is nothing you little people can do about it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Our elected dear leaders said, &#8220;Oh yeah! Well, we will show you! We will just pay for all of your losses with the little people&#8217;s money, so put that in your pipe and smoke it AIG.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let you decide who won this little contest.<br />                  &#8211; Avg John</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far when you divide the bailout money by the number of families in the U.S., it&#039;s only about $8000 per family.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Americans spend this much on entertainment every year, and it&#039;s this such great entertainment?  I say you&#039;re getting your money&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far when you divide the bailout money by the number of families in the U.S., it&#8217;s only about $8000 per family.</p>
<p>Americans spend this much on entertainment every year, and it&#8217;s this such great entertainment?  I say you&#8217;re getting your money&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe more &quot;F&quot; is what the financial systems needs.  With creative accounting, they can make it look like there is no &quot;R&quot; or &quot;D&quot;. which would fool a lot of people into parting with their money for &quot;S&quot; and &quot;B&quot;. No one would know they were in trouble for years...i.e. long enough to take the money and run....wait that already happened.  Sorry scratch that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe more &#8220;F&#8221; is what the financial systems needs.  With creative accounting, they can make it look like there is no &#8220;R&#8221; or &#8220;D&#8221;. which would fool a lot of people into parting with their money for &#8220;S&#8221; and &#8220;B&#8221;. No one would know they were in trouble for years&#8230;i.e. long enough to take the money and run&#8230;.wait that already happened.  Sorry scratch that.</p>
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		<title>By: run75441</title>
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		<dc:creator>run75441</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Amazing stuff and I posted using your comments elsewhere. It is amazing we can fire air controllers under contract. We can negate healthcare coverage under contract in federal court in bankruptcy. We can kill union contracts. God forbid we take away bonuses for W$ and AIG because it is under contract. If there was ever a reason to place AIG into conservorship, you have expressed it. AIG needs to be dismantled and management fired.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you have speaking engagments in Chicago? I would love to attend one and hear you talk. I would drag some of my big and awesome litigaton friends with me. They don&#039;t quite know what to make of this hack economist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves:</p>
<p>Amazing stuff and I posted using your comments elsewhere. It is amazing we can fire air controllers under contract. We can negate healthcare coverage under contract in federal court in bankruptcy. We can kill union contracts. God forbid we take away bonuses for W$ and AIG because it is under contract. If there was ever a reason to place AIG into conservorship, you have expressed it. AIG needs to be dismantled and management fired.</p>
<p>Do you have speaking engagments in Chicago? I would love to attend one and hear you talk. I would drag some of my big and awesome litigaton friends with me. They don&#8217;t quite know what to make of this hack economist.</p>
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		<title>By: DanyBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard whispers to this effect:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let the children play!&lt;br/&gt;They still have God to settle up with.&lt;br/&gt;We still need our gurus to steer us through the uncertain future.&lt;br/&gt;Masters will be masters!&lt;br/&gt;The best and brightest make up for the &quot;up-front investment&quot; later on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard whispers to this effect:</p>
<p>Let the children play!<br />They still have God to settle up with.<br />We still need our gurus to steer us through the uncertain future.<br />Masters will be masters!<br />The best and brightest make up for the &#8220;up-front investment&#8221; later on</p>
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		<title>By: Love Box 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Love Box 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOJ should have been on this years ago, but the blackmail runs very deep and wide in all this mess, so who is covering for who?  We know SEC is corrupt and useless, as is Treasury, as is FBI, as is DOL and then all the AG&#039;s are out of the way and the only people left in control are the guys at places like AIG that are getting bonuses ... hmmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOJ should have been on this years ago, but the blackmail runs very deep and wide in all this mess, so who is covering for who?  We know SEC is corrupt and useless, as is Treasury, as is FBI, as is DOL and then all the AG&#8217;s are out of the way and the only people left in control are the guys at places like AIG that are getting bonuses &#8230; hmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does not the Treasury take some of this money it is giving away and hire the best derivative people out there on short term contracts to go in and wind AIG FP down.  It would seem to be more efficient than giving the same people who created the mess more money in the form of retention bonuses. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Chief</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does not the Treasury take some of this money it is giving away and hire the best derivative people out there on short term contracts to go in and wind AIG FP down.  It would seem to be more efficient than giving the same people who created the mess more money in the form of retention bonuses. </p>
<p>Chief</p>
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