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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is a no-brainer. The more developed commentaries on the Golden Cross (such as the one cited above) are quick to point out the record of this indicator during recessionary periods. We learn it is an incredibly reliable signal of bullish market conditions looking out months forward.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HOWEVER, THERE&#039;S JUST ONE PROBLEM WITH THIS ANALYSIS:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are NOT in a recessionary period. Instead, we are in a state of outright collapse. Those who deny this probably are the same folks who scoffed in 2000 at those calling the &quot;new era&quot; in technology a bubble.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are in a state of collapse. The stock market (and equity in general) presently is in its &quot;rearranging the deck chairs&quot; phase. Over the next couple years, the market likely will collapse. Equity is DEAD MONEY. Long live debt. (How many more bailouts do we need to see before this FACT sinks in?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there&#039;s no such thing as a &quot;sure thing.&quot; However the risk is clear. One might duly note, too, that, denial of this possibility is frightfully pervasive. This, itself, is a huge red flag signaling the risk averse alert investor to remain extraordinarily cautious toward equities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is a no-brainer. The more developed commentaries on the Golden Cross (such as the one cited above) are quick to point out the record of this indicator during recessionary periods. We learn it is an incredibly reliable signal of bullish market conditions looking out months forward.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, THERE&#39;S JUST ONE PROBLEM WITH THIS ANALYSIS:</p>
<p>We are NOT in a recessionary period. Instead, we are in a state of outright collapse. Those who deny this probably are the same folks who scoffed in 2000 at those calling the &quot;new era&quot; in technology a bubble.</p>
<p>We are in a state of collapse. The stock market (and equity in general) presently is in its &quot;rearranging the deck chairs&quot; phase. Over the next couple years, the market likely will collapse. Equity is DEAD MONEY. Long live debt. (How many more bailouts do we need to see before this FACT sinks in?)</p>
<p>Of course, there&#39;s no such thing as a &quot;sure thing.&quot; However the risk is clear. One might duly note, too, that, denial of this possibility is frightfully pervasive. This, itself, is a huge red flag signaling the risk averse alert investor to remain extraordinarily cautious toward equities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: moslof</title>
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		<dc:creator>moslof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo&lt;br /&gt;I think you should read Socionomics. &quot;Green&quot; thinking is always on the rise during commodity booms.  The commodities are rallying but the boom ended in 08.  During  down economies in the past  the environment was the last thing anybody worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo<br />I think you should read Socionomics. &quot;Green&quot; thinking is always on the rise during commodity booms.  The commodities are rallying but the boom ended in 08.  During  down economies in the past  the environment was the last thing anybody worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but did Chris Hedges article get noticed:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090406_resist_or_become_serfs/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Resist or Become Serfs&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excerpt:  &quot;America is devolving into a third-world nation. And if we do not immediately halt our elite’s rapacious looting of the public treasury we will be left with trillions in debts, which can never be repaid, and widespread human misery which we will be helpless to ameliorate...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He is borrowing from Michael Hudson&#039;s great analysis in his article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but did Chris Hedges article get noticed:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090406_resist_or_become_serfs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090406_resist_or_become_serfs/</a></p>
<p>&quot;Resist or Become Serfs&quot;</p>
<p>Excerpt:  &quot;America is devolving into a third-world nation. And if we do not immediately halt our elite’s rapacious looting of the public treasury we will be left with trillions in debts, which can never be repaid, and widespread human misery which we will be helpless to ameliorate&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>He is borrowing from Michael Hudson&#39;s great analysis in his article.</p>
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		<title>By: NotZed</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the reason nobody became a farmer is because farms have been taken over by corporations who expect people to work for slave wages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which is ok I guess if you&#039;re one of those corporations, but for the rest of us it just means more expensive food despite the leaps in production efficiency, and no jobs to speak of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the reason nobody became a farmer is because farms have been taken over by corporations who expect people to work for slave wages.</p>
<p>Which is ok I guess if you&#39;re one of those corporations, but for the rest of us it just means more expensive food despite the leaps in production efficiency, and no jobs to speak of.</p>
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		<title>By: D.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, Ill take this whole thing with a grain of salt since for the most part, simple MA&#039;s are inherently flawed in a number of ways. For those using EMA&#039;s, you will see the cross is not even close to occurring on the SPX&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;200 EMA @ 940&lt;br /&gt;50 EMA @ 898&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any further comments on this are encouraged...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Ill take this whole thing with a grain of salt since for the most part, simple MA&#39;s are inherently flawed in a number of ways. For those using EMA&#39;s, you will see the cross is not even close to occurring on the SPX</p>
<p>200 EMA @ 940<br />50 EMA @ 898</p>
<p>Any further comments on this are encouraged&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: &#34;DoctoRx&#34;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#34;DoctoRx&#34;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Agree w Mike 8:57&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.  If you want a foretaste of the predictive value of this golden cross, look at what happened after BA and NKE had their golden crosses BEFORE the SPY.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  Look at the charts and MAs of 4 companies that played it straight and that are unmanaged:&lt;br /&gt;WMT, COST, CB and NTRS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.  If you really believe in this stuff, look at GLD.  Now, that&#039;s a strong chart from a short, intermed and long-term perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Agree w Mike 8:57</p>
<p>2.  If you want a foretaste of the predictive value of this golden cross, look at what happened after BA and NKE had their golden crosses BEFORE the SPY.</p>
<p>3.  Look at the charts and MAs of 4 companies that played it straight and that are unmanaged:<br />WMT, COST, CB and NTRS.</p>
<p>4.  If you really believe in this stuff, look at GLD.  Now, that&#39;s a strong chart from a short, intermed and long-term perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Roger&#039;s must be the world favorite financial blowhard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, you can have Singapore Jim. Frankly, you strike me as a cultural philistine which explains, among othr reasons, why you so prefer the sterility of Singapore to excitement of London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Roger&#39;s must be the world favorite financial blowhard.</p>
<p>Well, you can have Singapore Jim. Frankly, you strike me as a cultural philistine which explains, among othr reasons, why you so prefer the sterility of Singapore to excitement of London.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take elementary &quot;Low-Pass&quot; filters for $200, Alex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[And what exactly does a low-pass filter do to noise in a system? Yep, &quot;golden crosses&quot; are taking advantage of a different mathematically-impaired demographic than the lottery.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll take elementary &quot;Low-Pass&quot; filters for $200, Alex.</p>
<p>[And what exactly does a low-pass filter do to noise in a system? Yep, &quot;golden crosses&quot; are taking advantage of a different mathematically-impaired demographic than the lottery.]</p>
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		<title>By: marin belge™</title>
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		<dc:creator>marin belge™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;he (Rodgers) must be blinded or biased, focusing just on commodities when he says there is nothing to buy. Go back to read my comment on the investment labyrinth to see the key long-term themes you should be focusing on:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    * Inflation/ deflation&lt;br /&gt;    * Alternative energy (solar, wind, nuclear)&lt;br /&gt;    * Chindia (China &amp; India)&lt;br /&gt;    * Demographics (healthcare, biotech, etc.)&lt;br /&gt;    * Infrastructure&lt;br /&gt;    * New technologies (nanotech, etc.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An OECD consumer back on earth, an Asia consumer born at last, limited taxation, no massive monetary crisis bringing international security markets to pieces ... Suppose the world effectively runs into peaceful time, few problem to follow your argumentation. In case we run into nastier times, Rodgers is much easier to grasp. I&#039;m sorry to say that the current period feel more like the 70s or 30s than the 50s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IMHO you just CANNOT run a planet-wise globalized economy without a decent monetary system. What are the chances that we get one within a reasonable timeframe? Things will get worse until they get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;he (Rodgers) must be blinded or biased, focusing just on commodities when he says there is nothing to buy. Go back to read my comment on the investment labyrinth to see the key long-term themes you should be focusing on:</p>
<p>    * Inflation/ deflation<br />    * Alternative energy (solar, wind, nuclear)<br />    * Chindia (China &amp; India)<br />    * Demographics (healthcare, biotech, etc.)<br />    * Infrastructure<br />    * New technologies (nanotech, etc.)</i></p>
<p>An OECD consumer back on earth, an Asia consumer born at last, limited taxation, no massive monetary crisis bringing international security markets to pieces &#8230; Suppose the world effectively runs into peaceful time, few problem to follow your argumentation. In case we run into nastier times, Rodgers is much easier to grasp. I&#39;m sorry to say that the current period feel more like the 70s or 30s than the 50s.</p>
<p>IMHO you just CANNOT run a planet-wise globalized economy without a decent monetary system. What are the chances that we get one within a reasonable timeframe? Things will get worse until they get better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what if the market is &quot;managed&quot; to give these technical signals, to &quot;instill confidence&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what if the market is &quot;managed&quot; to give these technical signals, to &quot;instill confidence&quot;?</p>
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