I have personally used just about all the goes boom stuff out there, military to commercial and homemade over a 30 year period, including thermite. Just imagine Skippy and about 10 friends blowing the hell out of the desert at 29 stumps USMC base, with enough gear C4, thermite, detcord etc on many different types of steel from tanks to structural stuff. So I understand small and big explosions and the jobs to be done on rock, steel, body's
etcetera.

The physics alone get the short hairs standing on the back of my neck with out including explosives. So I'm not suggesting any thing other than more evidence must be compiled before hitting the streets, get my drift eh, don't blow your wad on the first day of court.

Skippy…concave top of soap dishes makes a sweet shape charge for C4.

In short, like any kind of propaganda, no matter what is the message, you need to be consistent and express the information in the easiest form accessible to potential 'converts'. I guess the 9/11 shown on TV live, with subsequence repeats regularly every few weeks were successful propaganda until now. But because of the reality now most people a facing, they're more susceptible to altenative explanation, more fundamental like the demonstrable knowledge of math,physics and chemistry taught in highschool.

Sorry, just type, no spell-checked.
It's facinating to see the blowback of falsehood propaganda in the making. It took more than 12 years from Reichstag fire to the fall of Berlin.

Thanks for the link. I'm fairly up to date on the subject, but the more the merrier. Still the hole area was wiped clean and thats the biggest problem to contend with, motive/method be dammed. Plus any samples left are too small a fraction of the total aftermath (present in any litagation).

Skippy…for my part the hole thing does stink to high heaven.

Here was the links at the fall of 08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/09/how_banks_depend_on_aig.html

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/fed-considering-lending-to-aig.html

and now from your link: (note that prime loans are now also under stress)

The $192.6 billion figure for the swaps includes $99.4 billion tied to corporate loans and $90.2 billion linked to prime residential mortgages, the insurer said.

“The sheer size of the portfolio and the ‘black box’ nature of its underlying loans and assets do little to calm fears of further CDS losses,” Shanker said in the July 8 research note. “Potential markdowns in the regulatory CDS portfolio may result in collateral calls that would again put pressure on AIG’s liquidity.”

The government’s rescue includes a $60 billion credit line, $52.5 billion to buy mortgage-linked assets owned or insured by the company, and an investment of as much as $70 billion. AIG plans to reduce its debt under the credit line by $25 billion by handing over stakes in two non-U.S. life insurance units, the insurer said last month. AIG has tapped about $43 billion from the line as of July 15.

The American are known to be very generous, aren't they ? Just for how long Uncle Ben's printing press can operate before the US congress turn it off ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aXu5aUboayJY :
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European banks including Societe Generale SA and BNP Paribas SA hold almost $200 billion in guarantees sold by New York-based AIG allowing the lenders to reduce the capital required for loss reserves. The firms may keep the contracts to hedge against declining assets rather than canceling them as AIG said it expects the banks to do, according to David Havens, managing director at investment bank Hexagon Securities LLC.

* This is really not a bad idea during these economic challenging times, but be careful using newspapers with soy ink, because that may impact estrogen levels and increase the need for catnip.

FD: meow

You are beginning to see why health care costs are climbing so fast. This country pushes health care like dealers push heroin. We just have far more heath care demand than is necessary and patients rarely question their doctors.

The number of tests patients go through is excessive. I have 4 siblings in health care at a hospital in a poor section of town. Each works in a different department – one is in billing (IT), one is in the legal department, another in a testing lab, and another is a liason with doctors on fund-raising and grant applications. It is a unique opportunity to get to listen to front-line workers in several departments communicate with each other – the only time it probably happens in the actual course of business is when department VP's talk and they are too removed from the day-to-day functions that they are unaware of the cross-departmental ramifications of a decision in another department. And doctors have ZERO interest in understanding concepts such as affordability; it's a combination of arrogance and CYA.

Maybe true, but if you think pre-screening, even under a national healthcare scheme, will go away, you're dead wrong. My company the other day was talking about the new healthcare plans they were offering, and they give us some "annual check/preventative care" money that doesn't cost us anything. The reason of course is to catch something early so they don't pay more later (my company is self-insured), which suits me fine, I don't want to be sick, but our HR head was telling us that if he didn't get the standard check, he wouldn't be standing there, because they early detected him having breast cancer.