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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Dudley and the Missing Lessons of the Financial Crisis&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/dudley-and-the-missing-lessons-of-the-financial-crisis.html#comment-66893</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you say dadaism, my young spud!

Let me show you the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtqf0RRWNY&amp;feature=related

The common stock, we put the poles in the holes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whc60qlD5MU&amp;feature=related

Ipso facto I can&#039;t get no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXEVVX-RAw&amp;feature=related

Which makes me a Mongoloid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmf7r_37eA&amp;feature=related

Which make me want to twist away the gates of steel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8QPL8_hLg&amp;feature=related

That leaves me with an: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFYk&amp;feature=related

Well DownSouth how are the altruistic to fight the A&#039;s of the world really..Good intentions?

Bob you asked me a question one time concerning size of the prophet. Well what ever he had was chopped off even before he was born via the immaculate conception...eh...their is your nihilist novelette.

Skippy...the dada bob, better than killing hay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you say dadaism, my young spud!</p>
<p>Let me show you the way: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtqf0RRWNY&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtqf0RRWNY&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>The common stock, we put the poles in the holes: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whc60qlD5MU&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whc60qlD5MU&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Ipso facto I can&#8217;t get no: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXEVVX-RAw&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXEVVX-RAw&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Which makes me a Mongoloid: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmf7r_37eA&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWmf7r_37eA&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Which make me want to twist away the gates of steel: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8QPL8_hLg&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8QPL8_hLg&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>That leaves me with an: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFYk&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRENoPisFYk&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Well DownSouth how are the altruistic to fight the A&#8217;s of the world really..Good intentions?</p>
<p>Bob you asked me a question one time concerning size of the prophet. Well what ever he had was chopped off even before he was born via the immaculate conception&#8230;eh&#8230;their is your nihilist novelette.</p>
<p>Skippy&#8230;the dada bob, better than killing hay.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, nor any mention of the spectacularly large current account deficit or the massive inflows of capital from currency pegs.  But I guess that&#039;s fine for a small, closed economy like that of the US.

Seriously, to suggest you can &quot;correctly identify the causes&quot;  and ignore the rest of this is incredibly arrogant.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ny.frb.org/newsevents/speeches/2006/gei060123.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geithner himself had pretty good a priori analysis&lt;/a&gt; of the impacts of petrodollar/Chinese trade flow recycling and its potential dangers.

I happen to think currency recycling was a really big deal, in concert with a poor rate of return on investment in America(heavily distorted towards residential housing and in competition with a severely overdeveloped China), as well as maturity mismatches and leverage.

But you brush two thirds of those away with a snort and focus entirely on... the domestic banking system.

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, nor any mention of the spectacularly large current account deficit or the massive inflows of capital from currency pegs.  But I guess that&#8217;s fine for a small, closed economy like that of the US.</p>
<p>Seriously, to suggest you can &#8220;correctly identify the causes&#8221;  and ignore the rest of this is incredibly arrogant.  <a href="http://www.ny.frb.org/newsevents/speeches/2006/gei060123.html" rel="nofollow">Geithner himself had pretty good a priori analysis</a> of the impacts of petrodollar/Chinese trade flow recycling and its potential dangers.</p>
<p>I happen to think currency recycling was a really big deal, in concert with a poor rate of return on investment in America(heavily distorted towards residential housing and in competition with a severely overdeveloped China), as well as maturity mismatches and leverage.</p>
<p>But you brush two thirds of those away with a snort and focus entirely on&#8230; the domestic banking system.</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: ndk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nary a mention of the real economy, or potential problems therein that could have affected the financial system.  No concern about cash flows, underlying asset values, or defaults in the real economy.  I guess that&#039;s all perpendicular to the important stuff.

I&#039;m proud other commenters caught on to the omission of all that.  I&#039;m deeply bemused that you and Dudley didn&#039;t.

The mere existence of analysis like this is fascinating, in a meta- kinda way.  I also find dadaism fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nary a mention of the real economy, or potential problems therein that could have affected the financial system.  No concern about cash flows, underlying asset values, or defaults in the real economy.  I guess that&#8217;s all perpendicular to the important stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud other commenters caught on to the omission of all that.  I&#8217;m deeply bemused that you and Dudley didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The mere existence of analysis like this is fascinating, in a meta- kinda way.  I also find dadaism fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dudley correctly identified the causes of the crisis as the excessive use of leverage and maturity mismatches embedded in financial activities carried out off the balance sheets of the traditional banking system&quot;

Am I the only one (besides Siggy) to see the humor in this from the man who was Goldman&#039;s chief economist while all this was going on?  Or how laying off the exotic instruments and de-regulation is a way to direct attention away from Goldman and Dudley&#039;s role in the crash?

DownSouth pretty much nails it.  All of this seems like going the long way round to say there was a bubble and surprise, it burst.  But why this is the shadow banking system&#039;s fault and not the bubble makers is unclear to me.  Rather like saying so we had access to all this money so of course we had to go out and blow it on something really stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dudley correctly identified the causes of the crisis as the excessive use of leverage and maturity mismatches embedded in financial activities carried out off the balance sheets of the traditional banking system&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I the only one (besides Siggy) to see the humor in this from the man who was Goldman&#8217;s chief economist while all this was going on?  Or how laying off the exotic instruments and de-regulation is a way to direct attention away from Goldman and Dudley&#8217;s role in the crash?</p>
<p>DownSouth pretty much nails it.  All of this seems like going the long way round to say there was a bubble and surprise, it burst.  But why this is the shadow banking system&#8217;s fault and not the bubble makers is unclear to me.  Rather like saying so we had access to all this money so of course we had to go out and blow it on something really stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: craazyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>craazyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even Orwell himself would be amazed. Not at the phenomenon itself, but that it has reached such a stage of erudite refinement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even Orwell himself would be amazed. Not at the phenomenon itself, but that it has reached such a stage of erudite refinement.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually find Dudley&#039;s first main factor LACK OF TRANSPARENCY much more important than the liquidity crisis. 

And you just got to love his recursive logic in:

&quot;The uncertainty stemmed, in part, from the lack of transparency about what prices these assets could be sold for, which, in turn stemmed from the difficulty of valuing these extremely complex and heterogeneous securities.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually find Dudley&#8217;s first main factor LACK OF TRANSPARENCY much more important than the liquidity crisis. </p>
<p>And you just got to love his recursive logic in:</p>
<p>&#8220;The uncertainty stemmed, in part, from the lack of transparency about what prices these assets could be sold for, which, in turn stemmed from the difficulty of valuing these extremely complex and heterogeneous securities.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I get the feeling that the Fed is the East India Trading Co and our government the PR division and that they no longer wish to own the assets via physical extraction/exploitation, that now its through a fiat reserve currency status.

Skippy...what a sweet game, no liability affixed to the actual goods all along the path to sale and after, just the skimming goodness planet wide. The Fed is a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I get the feeling that the Fed is the East India Trading Co and our government the PR division and that they no longer wish to own the assets via physical extraction/exploitation, that now its through a fiat reserve currency status.</p>
<p>Skippy&#8230;what a sweet game, no liability affixed to the actual goods all along the path to sale and after, just the skimming goodness planet wide. The Fed is a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: craazyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>craazyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In contemplating Mr. Dudley&#039;s remarks and general point of view, I am drawn in recollection to another encounter between an apostle of &quot;commerce&quot; and his interlocutor, the Marlow of Joseph Conrad&#039;s Heart of Darkness. 

Yes, Marlow himself would no doubt find a metaphoric resonance in the methods of the Company of the 1890s Congo Ivory trade and the no-less violent (albeit less bloody) financial trade of our day. I see Mr. Dudley as a well-meaning strategist at Company headquarters, abstractly analyzing the body count and the methods employed by the trade to accomplish its business objectives, and lecturing an assembly of ivory trade senior management, in a genial and genteel way, on ways to reduce the collateral damage and gain efficiencies in the process -- in short to improve &quot;the method&quot;.

Kurtz himself, of course, is too high a bar for our time. None of the psychopaths who&#039;ve been tossed onto our mind-screens by the GFC would seem to be even remotely capable of grasping Mr. Kurtz&#039;s deeply existential and almost eschatological view of homo natura, or his capacity for trenchent metaphor. This might be something done to consciousness by the immersion through work in fleshless abstractions -- such as &quot;money&quot; -- instead of things that tap a sort of primal kinesthetic sensibility, like digging ivory and bringing it a thousand miles through a hot hell.

Our proto-Kurtzes would be playing golf somewhere, or tanning themselves before getting a massage. Perhaps this is a form of progress, for which we should be grateful. Althought I&#039;m inclined to think it&#039;s merely a brief epiphenomenon of our enlightened &quot;civilization&quot;, which may be rendered as a form of nostalgia if this madness is unrestrained and runs its natural course.

* * *

But there is no disguising the fact, Mr. Kurtz has done more harm than good to the Company. He did not see the time was not ripe for vigorous action. Cautiously, cautiously -- that&#039;s my principle. We must be cautious yet. The district is closed to us for a time. Deplorable! Upon the whole, the trade will suffer. I don&#039;t deny there is a remarkable quantity of ivory -- mostly fossil. We must save it, at all events -- but look how precarious the position is -- and why? Because the method is unsound.&#039; 

&#039;Do you,&#039; said I, looking at the shore, &#039;call it &quot;unsound method?&quot;

&#039; &#039;Without doubt,&#039; he exclaimed hotly. &#039;Don&#039;t you?&#039; . . . 

&#039;No method at all,&#039; I murmured after a while.&quot;

-Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In contemplating Mr. Dudley&#8217;s remarks and general point of view, I am drawn in recollection to another encounter between an apostle of &#8220;commerce&#8221; and his interlocutor, the Marlow of Joseph Conrad&#8217;s Heart of Darkness. </p>
<p>Yes, Marlow himself would no doubt find a metaphoric resonance in the methods of the Company of the 1890s Congo Ivory trade and the no-less violent (albeit less bloody) financial trade of our day. I see Mr. Dudley as a well-meaning strategist at Company headquarters, abstractly analyzing the body count and the methods employed by the trade to accomplish its business objectives, and lecturing an assembly of ivory trade senior management, in a genial and genteel way, on ways to reduce the collateral damage and gain efficiencies in the process &#8212; in short to improve &#8220;the method&#8221;.</p>
<p>Kurtz himself, of course, is too high a bar for our time. None of the psychopaths who&#8217;ve been tossed onto our mind-screens by the GFC would seem to be even remotely capable of grasping Mr. Kurtz&#8217;s deeply existential and almost eschatological view of homo natura, or his capacity for trenchent metaphor. This might be something done to consciousness by the immersion through work in fleshless abstractions &#8212; such as &#8220;money&#8221; &#8212; instead of things that tap a sort of primal kinesthetic sensibility, like digging ivory and bringing it a thousand miles through a hot hell.</p>
<p>Our proto-Kurtzes would be playing golf somewhere, or tanning themselves before getting a massage. Perhaps this is a form of progress, for which we should be grateful. Althought I&#8217;m inclined to think it&#8217;s merely a brief epiphenomenon of our enlightened &#8220;civilization&#8221;, which may be rendered as a form of nostalgia if this madness is unrestrained and runs its natural course.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>But there is no disguising the fact, Mr. Kurtz has done more harm than good to the Company. He did not see the time was not ripe for vigorous action. Cautiously, cautiously &#8212; that&#8217;s my principle. We must be cautious yet. The district is closed to us for a time. Deplorable! Upon the whole, the trade will suffer. I don&#8217;t deny there is a remarkable quantity of ivory &#8212; mostly fossil. We must save it, at all events &#8212; but look how precarious the position is &#8212; and why? Because the method is unsound.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8216;Do you,&#8217; said I, looking at the shore, &#8216;call it &#8220;unsound method?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216; &#8216;Without doubt,&#8217; he exclaimed hotly. &#8216;Don&#8217;t you?&#8217; . . . </p>
<p>&#8216;No method at all,&#8217; I murmured after a while.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness</p>
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		<title>By: Jon M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, I note here you say &quot; It highlights the often overlooked role of leverage and maturity mismatches even as its stated purpose was examining the role of liquidity&quot; --by which I take you to mean that Liquidity and Maturity Mismatch are two different things. Pedantically speaking you can be argued to be correct in that, since Maturity Mismatch usually refers to Repricing maturity rather than Rolloff maturity, but I suspect that Dudley was referring to rolloff maturity mismatch --which IS liquidity. So I am not sure that you quite understand what creates a Liquidity problem for a bank --it is that their liabilities roll off before their assets do --ie they have a Rolloff Maturity Mismatch. Which is I think what Dudley was talking about

Interestingly, those few banks who had ever worried in the past about Liquidity seemed to give up on that around the early 1990s. Adopting a &#039;Liquidity Strategy&#039; (which in turn leads to a &#039;Liquidity Plan&#039; and a &#039;Liquidity Crisis plan&#039; and should incorporate pricing and credit for use and creation of liquidity) became a thing of the past. Anyone telling a bank that they needed these things in the later 1990s or 2000s was, fomr what I could see, treated with total lack of interest and shown the door. However, the few banks who (to my knowledge) had done that even in the early 1990s did somehow do better all these years later than the banks that had never worried about Liquidity in the first place. Even now, I don&#039;t hear of banks doing much about their Liquidity profile (except in the UK, and then only in response to the FSA&#039;s recent demands --and I am not sure that too much is being done even by then).

If there is a full economic recovery, and no &#039;double dip&#039; big bang disaster over the next few years, then I predict that Liquidity will gradually disappear as a concern, and institutional memories will again disappear, and then there will be another disaster, in another 40 years&#039; time, when people have learnt to stop worrying about Liquidity. . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I note here you say &#8221; It highlights the often overlooked role of leverage and maturity mismatches even as its stated purpose was examining the role of liquidity&#8221; &#8211;by which I take you to mean that Liquidity and Maturity Mismatch are two different things. Pedantically speaking you can be argued to be correct in that, since Maturity Mismatch usually refers to Repricing maturity rather than Rolloff maturity, but I suspect that Dudley was referring to rolloff maturity mismatch &#8211;which IS liquidity. So I am not sure that you quite understand what creates a Liquidity problem for a bank &#8211;it is that their liabilities roll off before their assets do &#8211;ie they have a Rolloff Maturity Mismatch. Which is I think what Dudley was talking about</p>
<p>Interestingly, those few banks who had ever worried in the past about Liquidity seemed to give up on that around the early 1990s. Adopting a &#8216;Liquidity Strategy&#8217; (which in turn leads to a &#8216;Liquidity Plan&#8217; and a &#8216;Liquidity Crisis plan&#8217; and should incorporate pricing and credit for use and creation of liquidity) became a thing of the past. Anyone telling a bank that they needed these things in the later 1990s or 2000s was, fomr what I could see, treated with total lack of interest and shown the door. However, the few banks who (to my knowledge) had done that even in the early 1990s did somehow do better all these years later than the banks that had never worried about Liquidity in the first place. Even now, I don&#8217;t hear of banks doing much about their Liquidity profile (except in the UK, and then only in response to the FSA&#8217;s recent demands &#8211;and I am not sure that too much is being done even by then).</p>
<p>If there is a full economic recovery, and no &#8216;double dip&#8217; big bang disaster over the next few years, then I predict that Liquidity will gradually disappear as a concern, and institutional memories will again disappear, and then there will be another disaster, in another 40 years&#8217; time, when people have learnt to stop worrying about Liquidity. . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>****“..this crisis was caused by the rapid growth of the so-called shadow banking system over the past few decades and its remarkable collapse over the past two years.” The speech goes on to document the shadow banking systems propensity to engage in maturity mismatches and reliance on short-term funding. The financial crisis is then explained in terms of the sometimes precipitous decline of funding, first from the shadow banking system and then more broadly.****

How is this possible as an explanation? 

The crisis was caused by a rapid inflation of asset &quot;pricing&quot; that was not supported by the asset &quot;value&quot;. 

Everything else is simply an explanation of how the mechanism that allowed that to happen failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>****“..this crisis was caused by the rapid growth of the so-called shadow banking system over the past few decades and its remarkable collapse over the past two years.” The speech goes on to document the shadow banking systems propensity to engage in maturity mismatches and reliance on short-term funding. The financial crisis is then explained in terms of the sometimes precipitous decline of funding, first from the shadow banking system and then more broadly.****</p>
<p>How is this possible as an explanation? </p>
<p>The crisis was caused by a rapid inflation of asset &#8220;pricing&#8221; that was not supported by the asset &#8220;value&#8221;. </p>
<p>Everything else is simply an explanation of how the mechanism that allowed that to happen failed.</p>
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