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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-71348</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you complain about the Tea protester check out history, About the
Boston Tea Party,  It was about paying taxes,  How the British wanted more
and more taxes on everything you do,  We the people booted them out.
Now Democratics and some republican are try to pass Healthcare reform,
cap and trade, Climate change.   Items that will tax everyone in one or another.
We need Capitalism, we need create jobs that make a profit,  or those jobs
will go to other country.  If we do not invest in United States of America,
with jobs that make a profit, NOT non-profit organization relay on government.

We need capitalism jobs, Need to drill oil here by American co., from another
state,  Need to burn coal but needs to be a American co.,  We create
jobs that make money and profit. 

Michigan Housing problem: People buy houses they really can&#039;t afford,
         Housing in Michigan taxes are high, hurts average person,
            Also, alot of people lost there jobs, taxes to high, 

We the people  remember our Constitution of United States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you complain about the Tea protester check out history, About the<br />
Boston Tea Party,  It was about paying taxes,  How the British wanted more<br />
and more taxes on everything you do,  We the people booted them out.<br />
Now Democratics and some republican are try to pass Healthcare reform,<br />
cap and trade, Climate change.   Items that will tax everyone in one or another.<br />
We need Capitalism, we need create jobs that make a profit,  or those jobs<br />
will go to other country.  If we do not invest in United States of America,<br />
with jobs that make a profit, NOT non-profit organization relay on government.</p>
<p>We need capitalism jobs, Need to drill oil here by American co., from another<br />
state,  Need to burn coal but needs to be a American co.,  We create<br />
jobs that make money and profit. </p>
<p>Michigan Housing problem: People buy houses they really can&#8217;t afford,<br />
         Housing in Michigan taxes are high, hurts average person,<br />
            Also, alot of people lost there jobs, taxes to high, </p>
<p>We the people  remember our Constitution of United States</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Magnus &#187; Friday Figures for 11/7/2009</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-68251</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget Magnus &#187; Friday Figures for 11/7/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] information will be chewed over by every economist, politician, journalist, and blogger as some ask whether we need an additional economic stimulus. Of interest to potential buyers, Fannie Mae is trying to tighten up lending standards, which will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] information will be chewed over by every economist, politician, journalist, and blogger as some ask whether we need an additional economic stimulus. Of interest to potential buyers, Fannie Mae is trying to tighten up lending standards, which will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67548</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply. I now understand your distinction between slump and depression. I agree with the distinction even if I&#039;m not certain that they necessarily occur in sequence. As far as cleaning up finance and recognizing the losses, I agree that it&#039;s an essential component. However I&#039;m not convinced that we can only afford to do it Japanese style. That depends on the numbers, which are (not always very honest) estimates at best. At heart I&#039;m a &quot;rip the band aid off quickly&quot; type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply. I now understand your distinction between slump and depression. I agree with the distinction even if I&#8217;m not certain that they necessarily occur in sequence. As far as cleaning up finance and recognizing the losses, I agree that it&#8217;s an essential component. However I&#8217;m not convinced that we can only afford to do it Japanese style. That depends on the numbers, which are (not always very honest) estimates at best. At heart I&#8217;m a &#8220;rip the band aid off quickly&#8221; type.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogBites. Like sound bites. But without the sound. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cut payroll taxes, subsidize job creation, divert some military spending to direct job creation by ending the foreign wars. But stop the madness.</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67479</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogBites. Like sound bites. But without the sound. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cut payroll taxes, subsidize job creation, divert some military spending to direct job creation by ending the foreign wars. But stop the madness.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some military spending to direct job creation by ending the foreign wars. But stop the madness. Stop the madness now! « naked capitalism &#160;    &#171; John Boehner just pronounced “hyperbole” as “hyperbowl,” and everyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some military spending to direct job creation by ending the foreign wars. But stop the madness. Stop the madness now! « naked capitalism &nbsp;    &laquo; John Boehner just pronounced “hyperbole” as “hyperbowl,” and everyone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francis from Belgium</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67459</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis from Belgium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if private debt is purged and reaches a more reasonable level within 5 years thanks to a significant increase of private savings, how will you then start to reduce fiscal deficit without restarting the &quot;private debt - credit economy&quot; rationale?

Edward Harrison suggests that deleveraging private debt and purging malinvestment would allow the resetting and restarting of the machine, but in a globalized economy where developped countries are all playing the game of unit labour cost deflation, how will you then increase aggregated demand in the middle and long term without increasing the household debt/GDP rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if private debt is purged and reaches a more reasonable level within 5 years thanks to a significant increase of private savings, how will you then start to reduce fiscal deficit without restarting the &#8220;private debt &#8211; credit economy&#8221; rationale?</p>
<p>Edward Harrison suggests that deleveraging private debt and purging malinvestment would allow the resetting and restarting of the machine, but in a globalized economy where developped countries are all playing the game of unit labour cost deflation, how will you then increase aggregated demand in the middle and long term without increasing the household debt/GDP rate?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67458</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen the comparison of private-sector debt as a % of GDP to public-sector debt as a % of GDP in a number of blog posts recently.  I have a serious beef with this comparison.  While this blog is generally very high quality, using this comparison for any argument at all rivals the arguments of much more vacuous minds in terms of speciousness.

The primary measure of an entity&#039;s long-term solvency is its capability to pay off its obligations with future cash flows.  The private sector does and will make profits (admittedly they will be subdued for some time to come), but the public sector is hemmorrhaging red ink and will be for AT LEAST the next 10 years (.5T projected structural deficit for 2019).  Where are the funds going to come from to repay this government debt?  On this basis alone the private sector justifiaby has higher leverage (when measured relative to the GDP) than the government.  Perhaps a more reasonable measurement of leverage would be relative to their respective assets?

There are more arguments I would like to lay out here, but alas, the CFA textbooks are calling *puke*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the comparison of private-sector debt as a % of GDP to public-sector debt as a % of GDP in a number of blog posts recently.  I have a serious beef with this comparison.  While this blog is generally very high quality, using this comparison for any argument at all rivals the arguments of much more vacuous minds in terms of speciousness.</p>
<p>The primary measure of an entity&#8217;s long-term solvency is its capability to pay off its obligations with future cash flows.  The private sector does and will make profits (admittedly they will be subdued for some time to come), but the public sector is hemmorrhaging red ink and will be for AT LEAST the next 10 years (.5T projected structural deficit for 2019).  Where are the funds going to come from to repay this government debt?  On this basis alone the private sector justifiaby has higher leverage (when measured relative to the GDP) than the government.  Perhaps a more reasonable measurement of leverage would be relative to their respective assets?</p>
<p>There are more arguments I would like to lay out here, but alas, the CFA textbooks are calling *puke*</p>
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		<title>By: kevin de bruxelles</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67454</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin de bruxelles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mickey.

And thanks for what you wrote to Lazarus.  I hope DJBrown will reconsider his decision.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing someone but it should be done in a respectful way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mickey.</p>
<p>And thanks for what you wrote to Lazarus.  I hope DJBrown will reconsider his decision.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing someone but it should be done in a respectful way.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/11/stop-the-madness-now.html#comment-67451</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is what it looks like when an Austrian goes over to the dark side.  I feel dirty just from reading it.  Please don&#039;t call yourself an Austrian anymore; instead, you are a &quot;free luncher&quot;, a Keynesian,a Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is what it looks like when an Austrian goes over to the dark side.  I feel dirty just from reading it.  Please don&#8217;t call yourself an Austrian anymore; instead, you are a &#8220;free luncher&#8221;, a Keynesian,a Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Nostradoofus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nostradoofus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if distrust, fueled mainly by opacity, is a much bigger component of a deflationary spiral than is widely recognized?

FDR did two things in the &#039;30s:  massive stimulus, and massive regulatory effort to restore trust through insurance and forced transparency.  It worked.

Japan did one thing after 1990:  massive stimulus, without any regulatory effort to restore trust through insurance and transparency.  It didn&#039;t work.

No matter how much liquidity the US throws around, bondholders will still lack reliable rating agencies;  bank clients and stakeholders still won&#039;t know the true exposure of their banks;  the derivatives market will still be opaque;  bear raids will keep happening.

Debating the scale of stimulus is legitimate, but less important, I suspect, than restoring transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if distrust, fueled mainly by opacity, is a much bigger component of a deflationary spiral than is widely recognized?</p>
<p>FDR did two things in the &#8217;30s:  massive stimulus, and massive regulatory effort to restore trust through insurance and forced transparency.  It worked.</p>
<p>Japan did one thing after 1990:  massive stimulus, without any regulatory effort to restore trust through insurance and transparency.  It didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>No matter how much liquidity the US throws around, bondholders will still lack reliable rating agencies;  bank clients and stakeholders still won&#8217;t know the true exposure of their banks;  the derivatives market will still be opaque;  bear raids will keep happening.</p>
<p>Debating the scale of stimulus is legitimate, but less important, I suspect, than restoring transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey in Akron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey in Akron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lazurus,

Just two things:

1)  Ridiculing and insulting comments to other bloggers or myself is counterproductive.  Unless, of course, you have all the answers. But if you really cherish ideas like freedom and democracy, then berating someone into silence by ridiculing/insulting them is hardly consistent with such ideas, right?  Or is that your intention?  So much for J. S. Mill and the Essay on Liberty...  What is it you don&#039;t understand?

2) From kleptocracy to fascism to corporate to China to GS - so it&#039;s all the same and throughout history.  From Egypt to the USA nothing is different and quite a sweeping generalization, don&#039;t you think?  But ironically, all of these historical examples cited by you, with the exception the USA, FAILED! Why is that?  Did they implode or were they conquered from without?  Does it make a difference in trying to thwart what you claim to have a bad feeling about or not?  Is resistance futile?  Talk about working for the clampdown!  And why no mention of the British Empire?  Talk about kleptocracy on a global scale...  Your rendition of history appears a bit short and overly simplistic. 

Nah, I detect a bit of anarchist utopian ranting coupled with the anger/frustration of the &quot;punks&quot;.  Just can&#039;t figure out whether your an anarchist or a punk.. if you get my drift! 

Gonna leave it at that in the hope that your future comments might actually be constructive and contributory to the debate.  Wishing you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lazurus,</p>
<p>Just two things:</p>
<p>1)  Ridiculing and insulting comments to other bloggers or myself is counterproductive.  Unless, of course, you have all the answers. But if you really cherish ideas like freedom and democracy, then berating someone into silence by ridiculing/insulting them is hardly consistent with such ideas, right?  Or is that your intention?  So much for J. S. Mill and the Essay on Liberty&#8230;  What is it you don&#8217;t understand?</p>
<p>2) From kleptocracy to fascism to corporate to China to GS &#8211; so it&#8217;s all the same and throughout history.  From Egypt to the USA nothing is different and quite a sweeping generalization, don&#8217;t you think?  But ironically, all of these historical examples cited by you, with the exception the USA, FAILED! Why is that?  Did they implode or were they conquered from without?  Does it make a difference in trying to thwart what you claim to have a bad feeling about or not?  Is resistance futile?  Talk about working for the clampdown!  And why no mention of the British Empire?  Talk about kleptocracy on a global scale&#8230;  Your rendition of history appears a bit short and overly simplistic. </p>
<p>Nah, I detect a bit of anarchist utopian ranting coupled with the anger/frustration of the &#8220;punks&#8221;.  Just can&#8217;t figure out whether your an anarchist or a punk.. if you get my drift! </p>
<p>Gonna leave it at that in the hope that your future comments might actually be constructive and contributory to the debate.  Wishing you well.</p>
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