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		<title>Comment on BAILOUT: Former Bailout Watchdog Neil Barofsky to Release Tell-All Account Of Bush/Obama Administration Banking Policies by David Brooky</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/former-bailout-watchdog-neil-barofsky-to-launch-tell-all-book-about-obama-administration.html#comment-720002</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brooky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The third narrative, which you can find on this blog, is that Barack Obama is a great deceiver&quot;  Well, it&#039;s on other blogs too. I can barely what for the &quot;infotainment&quot; that will tack onto this post: &quot;You&#039;d rather have Romney would&#039;ya?&quot;
No not really, I&#039;d prefer either resignation, or impeachment for an extensive list of war crimes, attacks on civil liberties, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The third narrative, which you can find on this blog, is that Barack Obama is a great deceiver&#8221;  Well, it&#8217;s on other blogs too. I can barely what for the &#8220;infotainment&#8221; that will tack onto this post: &#8220;You&#8217;d rather have Romney would&#8217;ya?&#8221;<br />
No not really, I&#8217;d prefer either resignation, or impeachment for an extensive list of war crimes, attacks on civil liberties, and so on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truthiness is Next to Lawlessness: It&#8217;s Time to Enforce Sarbanes-Oxley in the JP Morgan CIO Scandal by Ms G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about using SOX to prosecute Corzine (of MF Global fame) -- he actually helped WRITE that statute.  

The article should have discussed the failure to use SOX in the broader theme of its UN-use against a parade of obvious targets. As it stands, it gives the impression that the SOX-silence at DOJ is Dimon-specific, rather than systemic vis a vis the finance titans who essentially own/fund DOJ, SEC and the other &quot;regulators.&quot;  

Obviously, under an unconflicted Department of Justice and/or SEC there is no doubt that a SOX action against Dimon would have been deemed appropriate, warranted and just.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about using SOX to prosecute Corzine (of MF Global fame) &#8212; he actually helped WRITE that statute.  </p>
<p>The article should have discussed the failure to use SOX in the broader theme of its UN-use against a parade of obvious targets. As it stands, it gives the impression that the SOX-silence at DOJ is Dimon-specific, rather than systemic vis a vis the finance titans who essentially own/fund DOJ, SEC and the other &#8220;regulators.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Obviously, under an unconflicted Department of Justice and/or SEC there is no doubt that a SOX action against Dimon would have been deemed appropriate, warranted and just.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by pedex</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poltics is simply economics by other means</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poltics is simply economics by other means</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by paulj</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@They didn&#039;t leave me a choice

Can&#039;t tell who your question was aimed at but, in case it was me:

&quot;And how do any of these systems work when there is no growth to be had? Do you have any suggestions for our present circumstances where no more economic growth is possible due to ecological collapse?…&quot;

Mathematically the system doesn&#039;t change, only the inputs and outputs change.

Are you suggesting that our current problems have more to do with banging up against resource limitations than bad money management?

&quot;… In fact I think we’ll be lucky if we can coast this century with even zero growth instead of terminal, rapid degrowth…&quot;

I agree that long-term (maybe even medium and short-term) we have to be looking at a steady-state non-growth based economy. Read Buckminster Fuller among others.

Seems to me that this will require a non-profit system since accumulating wealth requires growth.

Rapid degrowth is fine provided we don&#039;t starve 90% of the planet to do it.

 Can any of your theories account for the reality that we face?

I haven&#039;t proposed any theories. I&#039;ve stated that there is a simple uncontroversial a mathematical relationship between economic growth and monetary growth in a monetary economy. The economy can&#039;t grow without expansion (or recirculation/redistribution)of the fuel that powers it.

Money. Persistent money, not credit. The natural flow of money is from consumers to producers, not the reverse. When the producers have all of the money through extraction of profit from the system what will happen then (assuming we don&#039;t create more)?

What I have stated is in fact in paradigm with reality. The natural state of the economy is equilibrium in the form of inactivity. At rest, like what happens with a car when you take your foot of fthe gas.

Under capitalism, the system requires money to be input to maintain a steady-state out of equilibrium condition, economic activity.

When most of the money is hoarded by the few, how do you think the system will respond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@They didn&#8217;t leave me a choice</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t tell who your question was aimed at but, in case it was me:</p>
<p>&#8220;And how do any of these systems work when there is no growth to be had? Do you have any suggestions for our present circumstances where no more economic growth is possible due to ecological collapse?…&#8221;</p>
<p>Mathematically the system doesn&#8217;t change, only the inputs and outputs change.</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that our current problems have more to do with banging up against resource limitations than bad money management?</p>
<p>&#8220;… In fact I think we’ll be lucky if we can coast this century with even zero growth instead of terminal, rapid degrowth…&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that long-term (maybe even medium and short-term) we have to be looking at a steady-state non-growth based economy. Read Buckminster Fuller among others.</p>
<p>Seems to me that this will require a non-profit system since accumulating wealth requires growth.</p>
<p>Rapid degrowth is fine provided we don&#8217;t starve 90% of the planet to do it.</p>
<p> Can any of your theories account for the reality that we face?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t proposed any theories. I&#8217;ve stated that there is a simple uncontroversial a mathematical relationship between economic growth and monetary growth in a monetary economy. The economy can&#8217;t grow without expansion (or recirculation/redistribution)of the fuel that powers it.</p>
<p>Money. Persistent money, not credit. The natural flow of money is from consumers to producers, not the reverse. When the producers have all of the money through extraction of profit from the system what will happen then (assuming we don&#8217;t create more)?</p>
<p>What I have stated is in fact in paradigm with reality. The natural state of the economy is equilibrium in the form of inactivity. At rest, like what happens with a car when you take your foot of fthe gas.</p>
<p>Under capitalism, the system requires money to be input to maintain a steady-state out of equilibrium condition, economic activity.</p>
<p>When most of the money is hoarded by the few, how do you think the system will respond?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Truthiness is Next to Lawlessness: It&#8217;s Time to Enforce Sarbanes-Oxley in the JP Morgan CIO Scandal by WarrenCelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarrenCelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1: a respite or a time of respite from something : intermission
2a : a scheduled period during which activity (as of a court or school) is suspended b : a period of exemption from work granted to an employee
3: a period spent away from home or business in travel or recreation 
4: an act or an instance of vacating</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1: a respite or a time of respite from something : intermission<br />
2a : a scheduled period during which activity (as of a court or school) is suspended b : a period of exemption from work granted to an employee<br />
3: a period spent away from home or business in travel or recreation<br />
4: an act or an instance of vacating</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by Moneta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private debt is the problem, and private debt can’t create nominal growth. Private debt includes both a dollar asset and a dollar liability – it nets to zero. No balance sheet expansion is possible (No increase in cash is possible).
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You are assuming no inflation.

If inflation takes off, which will probably occur if China weakens, Europe fails and devaluates and the US starts to rebuild itself, incomes will finally increase... unless the population lets the 1% keep the loot.  The ones who would gain would be the workers.  That means a generational wealth transfer.

The next time the economy tanks, rates won&#039;t get cut, companies unable to refi will fail, M&amp;A will soar, capacity will shrink and this will generate inflation.

In a few years, Americans will start to buy houses again and debt creation will happen.

IMO, the reason why changes are not happening is because the top 15% minus the top 5% have enough to retire but not enough to lose to be able to keep on going the way they have.  They are 50+ and they don&#039;t want a redistribution to occur in their lifetime.  If there is a redistribution, only the top 5% will be able to keep on on going the way they have been.  North Amercians in the top 10-20% most probably have created themselves lives that are too big for what they afford long term.  And now they are stuck.

So the problem is not only the top 1%, it&#039;s also the top 15% that is still clinging to their overpriced lifestyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private debt is the problem, and private debt can’t create nominal growth. Private debt includes both a dollar asset and a dollar liability – it nets to zero. No balance sheet expansion is possible (No increase in cash is possible).<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
You are assuming no inflation.</p>
<p>If inflation takes off, which will probably occur if China weakens, Europe fails and devaluates and the US starts to rebuild itself, incomes will finally increase&#8230; unless the population lets the 1% keep the loot.  The ones who would gain would be the workers.  That means a generational wealth transfer.</p>
<p>The next time the economy tanks, rates won&#8217;t get cut, companies unable to refi will fail, M&amp;A will soar, capacity will shrink and this will generate inflation.</p>
<p>In a few years, Americans will start to buy houses again and debt creation will happen.</p>
<p>IMO, the reason why changes are not happening is because the top 15% minus the top 5% have enough to retire but not enough to lose to be able to keep on going the way they have.  They are 50+ and they don&#8217;t want a redistribution to occur in their lifetime.  If there is a redistribution, only the top 5% will be able to keep on on going the way they have been.  North Amercians in the top 10-20% most probably have created themselves lives that are too big for what they afford long term.  And now they are stuck.</p>
<p>So the problem is not only the top 1%, it&#8217;s also the top 15% that is still clinging to their overpriced lifestyles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by F. Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wealth does not have to be redistributed but negative wealth (debt) needs to be destroyed.  A fair (and politically palatable) way to do this is an equal distribution of new fiat to the entire population COMBINED with a ban on further credit creation. 

A universal bailout would reduce relative wealth disparity without making anyone poorer.  Example:  A has $100,000 and B has only $1000.  The wealth ration is 100 to 1.  Now give both A and B $100,000. The wealth ration is now only 1.089 to 1 yet A is not any poorer at least not in nominal terms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wealth does not have to be redistributed but negative wealth (debt) needs to be destroyed.  A fair (and politically palatable) way to do this is an equal distribution of new fiat to the entire population COMBINED with a ban on further credit creation. </p>
<p>A universal bailout would reduce relative wealth disparity without making anyone poorer.  Example:  A has $100,000 and B has only $1000.  The wealth ration is 100 to 1.  Now give both A and B $100,000. The wealth ration is now only 1.089 to 1 yet A is not any poorer at least not in nominal terms!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links, 5/24/12 by Lambert Strether</title>
		<link>http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/links-52412.html#comment-719990</link>
		<dc:creator>Lambert Strether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quotes from the Sierra Club are pathetic. Did we ever get to look at Cheney&#039;s energy plan? Because it looks like Robama&#039;s implementing it.

* * *

Oh noez!!!! The Supreme Court!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quotes from the Sierra Club are pathetic. Did we ever get to look at Cheney&#8217;s energy plan? Because it looks like Robama&#8217;s implementing it.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Oh noez!!!! The Supreme Court!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by Anarcissie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anarcissie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t thinking of prices fluctuating around averages per commodity or service as a con in itself (although it offers opportunities for cons), but of deliberately induced general inflation, produced either by printing money or expanding credit through state power.  That is certainly a con -- the &#039;lenders&#039; (the persons holding currency etc.) are given back less than they &#039;lent&#039; when they exchanged something for it.  If they labored they exchanged part of their lives for the money, of which they are now being deprived.  That strikes me as an immoral enough form of arithmetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t thinking of prices fluctuating around averages per commodity or service as a con in itself (although it offers opportunities for cons), but of deliberately induced general inflation, produced either by printing money or expanding credit through state power.  That is certainly a con &#8212; the &#8216;lenders&#8217; (the persons holding currency etc.) are given back less than they &#8216;lent&#8217; when they exchanged something for it.  If they labored they exchanged part of their lives for the money, of which they are now being deprived.  That strikes me as an immoral enough form of arithmetic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anonymous: The Fable of &#8220;Moral Arithmetic&#8221; by Jackrabbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone focuses on the marbles and rules of the game without considering the potential for bad actors disrupting/manipulating the game (whatever the game may be) to their benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone focuses on the marbles and rules of the game without considering the potential for bad actors disrupting/manipulating the game (whatever the game may be) to their benefit.</p>
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