Links 11/9/16

Sea urchins flip inside out to become an adult Cosmos (furzy)

A Satire on Impermissible Satire ZNet

A Time of the Earth’s Average Temperature XKCD

Sea Levels Will Rise Faster Than Ever Scientific American

Important Message from Keeper of Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Four Worlds International Institute (Glenn F)

Impossible Spaceship Engine Called “EmDrive” Actually Works, Leaked NASA Report Reveals Yahoo


Beijing’s Intervention in Hong Kong Election Could Face a Hurdle: Local Courts New York Times

Leaders don’t grasp Hong Kong fury Bangkok Post (furzy)

Samsung Drawn Into Korean Political Crisis After Offices Raided Bloomberg


EU leaders plan December meeting without UK Politico

UK government’s Brexit court appeal to start December 5 Politico


Putin Wants to Push Microsoft Out of Russia in Battle with U.S. NBC (Micael)

Putin scared the CIA by replacing Microsoft with Russian product (subtitled) Vineyard of the Saker (Micael)

Russia successfully tests new hypersonic warhead Russia Beyond the Headlines (Selva)

US Hawks Gamble on Turkey’s Invasions Consortiumnews (Mason)

Declaration by the High Representative on behalf of the EU on the latest developments in Turkey European Council

Big Brother is Watching You Watch

Tesco Bank cyber raid ‘unprecedented’, says financial regulator Guardian (Bill B)

2016. A big round of applause for Lambert and those of you who participated in our live blog last evening and into the AM.

I’m leaving some of the links I assembled earlier yesterday as reminders of the punditocracy misreading of the public’s mood. And for the historically minded, today is the anniversary of 18 Brumaire.

Donald Trump is moving to the White House, and liberals put him there Guardian. Circulate this widely (although Trump has actually said he won’t live in the White House, he’ll live in a Trump property. There’s precedent in NYC. Bloomberg never occupied Gracie Mansion and made sure it was regularly rented out for parties). Plutonium Kun:

Check out the hilarious tone deafness of the Guardian putting a plea at the bottom of Frank’s article for readers to help its journalism, after they inflicted 12 months of Clinton hackism on its readers (and anyone following comments btw knows that its readers overwhelmingly saw what was coming).

Trump Praises Clinton, Calls for Unity in Acceptance Speech Wall Street Journal

Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment New York Times

President Trump’s America Already Looks Different New York Magazine (resilc)

Exit polls: Clinton fails to energize African-Americans, Latinos and the young CNN. Gillian Tett called this correctly last weekend: “foot-dragging” as as form of revolt.

Inside the Loss Clinton Saw Coming Politico

Rachel Maddow Slams People Who Didn’t Vote Clinton or Trump New York Magazine. Resilc: “FU too.”

Stock Futures Plunge as Trump Gains Presidency Wall Street Journal

Who are the team Trump players heading for Washington? Financial Times

Trump Victory Threatens a New World Disorder as Putin Looks On Bloomberg. No shortage of pearl-clutching….

Republicans Have Pulled the Country and the World Into the Abyss New Republic. Resilc: “‘W’ all is of D.C. And Brooklyn.”


Final Election Update: There’s A Wide Range Of Outcomes, And Most Of Them Come Up Clinton New York Times. Resilc: “Fail”

Assange Statement on the US Election Wikileaks (martha r)

US rivals use toxic election to pour scorn on American democracy Financial Times (David L)

Here’s the WikiLeaks Bombshell on Clinton that Is Still to Come Pam Martens and Russ Martens (Carolinian)

Trump Bid to Set Aside Some Nevada Ballots Gets Harsh Reception Bloomberg

The Election Day outcomes that could affect TPP Politico

No Honeymoon for Hillary Nation

Could Hillary the Hawk Have a Dove to Thank for Control of the Senate? Foreign Policy (resilc)

Russian TV is showing nude Melania Trump and election rigging ahead of U.S. election Washington Post

2016 Wasn’t a Foreign Policy Election, But It Will Have Foreign Policy Consequences American Conservative (resilc)

Did Social Media Ruin Election 2016? NPR (David L)

Facebook is harming our democracy, and Mark Zuckerberg needs to do something about it Vox (furzy). As in censor more, and reinforce the primacy of the MSM even as collapsing revenues make them even more dependent on access journalism and more bereft of resources to do actual reporting. Help me.

2016’s marijuana legalization votes, explained Vox

A Lawyer Explains What Kind of Trouble You Can Get in for Joking About Shooting Clinton or Trump Vice (resilc)

I hate to say it, but the Democrats were warned: Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary Politico


Standing Rock and Imperialism Itself Counterpunch

Notes From The Medic Tent At Standing Rock Huffington Post (martha r)

Bank DNB says considering pulling financing on N. Dakota pipeline Reuters (Glenn F)

The Land Beneath the Pipeline: Standing Rock & Barack Obama’s Chance to #HonorTheTreaties John Laurits (martha r)

OPEC Might Fail To Boost Oil Prices But Crude Isn’t Going Anywhere OilPrice

Curry proposes ending pensions for future police officers and firefighters What CalPERS recently departed fiduciary counsel oversaw at a very long-standing client: corruption so severe that it resulted in the most deeply underfunded pension fund in the state.

America Figured Out A New Way Audi Cheated on Emissions Testing: Report Jalopnik (YY)

Supreme Court Revisits 2008’s Housing Collapse With Banking Test Cases NPR

Senators Investigate Reports Wells Fargo Punished Workers NPR (Dan K)

Class Warfare

Living on the edges: Life in the colonias of Texas Aljazeera (margarita)

Richard Pryor nails the connection between racism and capitalism YouTube (Judy B)

Antidote du jour. M.G.:

These are Australasian gannets and colony at the tip end of Farewell Spit on the NW corner of the South Island of New Zealand. Our guide said the colony had only been there ~ 10 years.

They’re beautiful birds. The color of the mature heads reminds me of a perfectly toasted marshmallow


See yesterday’s Links and Antidote du Jour here.

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  1. Sam Adams

    Nugget from the NYT article “The returns Tuesday also amounted to a historic rebuke of the Democratic Party from the white blue-collar voters who had formed the party base from the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt to Mr. Clinton’s. ”

    I want to see DNC and sycophant heads on a pike.

      1. Optimader

        It will be interesting to see which “experts” frames it as an unforseeable “upset”.

    1. sleepy

      One thing refreshing is to see the MSM pundits try to come up with a narrative for what happened last night. I’ve heard just about everything–on the verge of tears Rachel Maddow seemed to be going in the direction of blaming Gary Johnson to some pretty good stuff like saying that Americans are sick of war.

      Some meaningless and pablum-filled narrative will be settled on in the next few days. But in the interim it will be interesting to see how it develops and to see some actual critical thinking going on (at least for a couple days). The MSM was totally unprepared for this.

      1. fresno dan

        November 9, 2016 at 8:34 am

        The media was worst than the old soviet union airbrushing certain individuals out of pictures when they were “disappeared”

        Trump stated (who knows, like ALL politicians, what he will actually do) that he did not support cutting social security. Now all the repubs, the Obamas, the Clintons, and most dems are all for the “GRAND BARGAIN” – – It is the Washington consensus, so no alternative view can be distributed.

        Yet this incredibly IMPORTANT issue was never discussed. It very much is that the “OH so serious” people just believe it is a fact that social security has to be cut. AND the elites will brook no dissent on the issue.
        BUT IT CANNOT BE SPOKEN OF IN THE Lamestream media (thank you Palin – the one great bon mot you came up with) – well, maybe those old timers out in flyover country are on to something when they say the government should keep their hands off their social security…

        1. RabidGandhi

          Palin also coined “Mr Hopey Changey”– also spot on.

          Her entire opus may be worth reviewing to fish out other bons mots from the dreck, but I haven’t the intestines to do it.

          1. WheresOurTeddy

            What you just described sounds like one of the circles of hell.

            And not one of the higher-up ones.

      2. jsn

        See Yves Media vs Google chart from yesterday: the Media need a new business model. The Clinton Campaign purchased the same media coverage Mitt Romney bought four years ago and it tells you whatever you pay to hear.

        I pay Naked Capitalism to critically format and interpret information flows, turns out our hosts here are more predictive than the “news” the powerful buy!

        Maybe I’ll get another subscription here…

      3. tongorad

        I had the misfortune of watching TYT’s live coverage last night. The consensus seemed to be that the election was a referendum on racism and sexism, and that the bad guys won. Cenk made some noises about corporate dems, but he went on a long diatribe about how the “gloves are off” regarding racists and sexists. In other words, it’s still all about liberal moral superiority for some.

        1. Sandy

          The lack of empathy, the mere ability to see things from a perspective other than your own, along with the tribalism from the left has really been disturbing this year. I thought these are supposed to be the compassionate people? Maybe this is genetic.

        2. Adamski

          In fairness to Cenk he always said Clinton was far too risky to run and corporate Dems were the problem. When he complains about racists and sexists winning he is merely deploring the result, something he believes Clinton made possible.

      4. meme

        I was shocked last night to see Chris Matthews disagreeing with Rachel Maddow’s assessment that Trump was winning by exploited the racial anxiety of white voters, saying she was wrong and that the three issues that Trump tapped into, trade, immigration and wars were ignored by the establishment. Trump dared to say that America isn’t so great anymore and the electorate (along with Chris Matthews) agreed. There are still a few pundits who think its all about race and Trump’s racism, but I don’t think they can make a case for that.

        1. ginnie nyc

          There was a lot of projection going on there, for sure. I would say that the Clinton campaign exploited the racial anxiety of Black and Latino Americans. To the extent that Jamaican-Americans that I know (who’ve been citizens for over 10+ years) were afraid they would be deported by Trump. I had to reassure them this was not so multiple times before they began to believe me. Some of the distortion and racial polarization can readily be laid at her door.

      5. Dave

        Everyone might enjoy Abby Martin’s takedown of Rachel Maddow on youtube.
        “Abby Martin blasts Rachel Maddow’s comments on 9/11”

        Abby Martin is really cool and is worth watching, rather than gagging and repudiating like the sellout Maddow. If I were an advertiser on MSM, I would demand a refund on my advertising dollars and offer them one tenth the going ad rates. I’ll bet they would take it.

      6. Romancing The Loan

        Maddow’s take is particularly ironic since if it wasn’t for Gary Johnson pulling votes away from Trump, Clinton would have lost by four more states.

        1. oho

          ‘Gary Johnson pulling votes away from Trump, Clinton would have lost by four more states.’

          No one on TV is talking about that….the number of states that Clinton won w/>50% of the vote, the real blue firewall, is pitifully small—basically a bit more than 1/2 of the 1865 Union + the West Coast.

          Clinton couldn’t even get >50.01% in MN.

      7. Propertius

        Interesting data point from today – flying from Denver to San Jose. Both of my flight attendants were former Bernie supporters who voted for Johnson in the election. Both from North Carolina.

    2. Lambert Strether

      > see DNC and sycophant heads

      1) Please, can we try to avoid redundant phrasing?

      2) I would argue the election is a repudiation of the political class generally. That’s what tossing Little Marco and “low energy” Jebbie on history’s shitpile in the Republican primaries was all about.

  2. Cry Shop

    “Exit polls: Clinton fails to energize African-Americans, Latinos and the young CNN. Gillian Tett called this correctly last weekend:”

    Let’s spread a bit of the glory around. Barry Obama’s pleading and begging didn’t do anything, and I’m speculating, but I’d guess that picture of Michelle Obama snuggling up to Bush Jr. did more to tell Blacks and other minorities who usually vote Democrat about Team Obama (Motto: What’s in it for me) than 8 years of failed policy.

    1. JTMcPhee

      Mike Royko, who loved and lived Chicago, “his own, his native place” (near which I grew up), nevertheless coined the quintessential unofficial City Motto: “Ubi Est Mea?” Pig Latin for “WHERE’S MINE?” Let us never forget where the New Grifters, La Famiglia 0Bomba, came from: The Chicago School.

      A little trip down memory lane, from the 2009 Chicago Tribune, with some mental hooks to note, in watching what the Nouveau Regime does in the coming months and terms:

      ‘Ubi Est Mea?’
      December 24, 2009
      If nothing else, the acrimonious debate over health care reform has contributed some potent new expressions to the American political vocabulary. You heard weeks ago about “death panels.” And the vaguely named “public option,” which has nothing to do with finding a suitable men’s room at the shopping mall.

      But what about the “Louisiana purchase” of 2009? Or the “Cornhusker kickback”? Or “U. Con”? Those are nicknames hung on some of the seedy backroom deals cut by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to secure the 60 votes he needs for passage of his $871 billion health care reform bill.

      Here’s a translation of those terms, compliments of The Washington Post:

      *Louisiana purchase: The reported $100 million in extra Medicaid money secured for her state by Sen. Mary Landrieu. She has boasted she actually snared $300 million.

      *Cornhusker kickback: A similar $100 million for Sen. Ben Nelson’s Nebraska.

      *U. Con: $100 million meant for a medical center in Sen. Chris Dodd’s Connecticut.

      There also were special favors handed out to Vermont, Massachusetts, Montana, Iowa, Michigan and Florida. And that’s just the stuff we know about so far. Remember, this is a 2,400-plus page bill.

      The bill is all but certain to be advanced in a vote Thursday morning. Next stop: a Senate-House conference committee, where dueling versions of health care legislation will be melded into one and where upright lawmakers will strip out all of the special interest bribes, er, payments made to senators in exchange for their votes.

      Just kidding! That’s as likely as aspirin curing cancer. Likelier: More lawmakers clamoring to extort gazillions for their states. Guess who’ll pay for all of this.

      And how has Reid reacted? “I don’t know if there is a senator that doesn’t have something in this bill that was important to them,” he said Monday about what’s become known as “cash for cloture.” “And if they don’t have something in it important to them, then it doesn’t speak well of them.”

      Sure. If a senator merely votes for a bill because it’s the right thing to do, rather than it’s the right thing to do if he gets $100 million in special benefits for his state, then he’s a dope? Talk about twisted logic.

      We’ve seen this kind of shameful display before. To roughly paraphrase a famous line from President Barack Obama: It’s not a Democratic thing. Or a Republican thing. It’s a Congress thing.

      Remember what happened last year, as the economy shambled over a cliff and the House approved an $800 billion-plus rescue plan? Remember how some recalcitrant members of Congress were moved to switch their votes? Saving the economy from potential ruin wasn’t enough of an incentive. Thus the bill came to include $2 million in tax breaks for the manufacturers of kids’ wooden arrows, $192 million for rum producers, $148 million in tariff relief for U.S. wool fabric producers and $33 million for corporations operating in American Samoa. Oh, and $2 million to help people who commute to work on bicycles.

      There are plenty of winners and losers in the Senate health bill. Democrats removed a tax on cosmetic surgery (the “Botax”) but added a tax on tanning salons. The tax on so-called Cadillac health plans remains, but the bill now exempts miners, construction workers, cops, firefighters, longshoremen and other union members who contribute so mightily to Democratic causes.

      Obama envisioned health care reform as a bipartisan effort. It hasn’t turned out that way. The Dems wholly own the Senate and House bills. And public opinion be damned.

      But leaders of the two chambers still can show sense by dropping their noble pretensions that getting health care reform this far is all about … health care.

      Instead, this debacle evokes the all-purpose Chicago political motto proposed by the late columnist Mike Royko:

      “Ubi Est Mea?” — “Where’s Mine?”

      Anyone not clear on the nature of Michelle 0Bomba, take a look at this little video clip (attention to facial expression):×9600/ At least the Departing First Family has been freed to do whatever they forking want, now…

      Interesting to see if Trump “stays bought” to the people who elected him (in the hope that he will direct the river through the Augean stables, and slash the Gordian knot?). Hope is a blessing, hope (as 0Bomba has so ably demonstrated) is a chimaera and a curse…

      1. aet

        Speaking of who can afford to buy, and who can afford the ongoing payments, it should be noted that Mr. Trump has a net worth greater than that of any previous President – in fact, his net worth is greater than that of all previous Presidents added together!

        Optimistically, insofar as this indicates that this is about ego, rather than simply about being on the take (For what is there that can be purchased, which Mr. Trump could not already afford to purchase without needing to become President? And if Mr. Trump is seeking respect from others, how true and of what value would any “respect” be which is paid for, rather than earned?) – it is entirely possible that Mr. Trump wishes to accomplish – rather than simply acquire – something of worth by serving as President.

        The question that remains in my mind is whether Mr. Trump can accomplish anything which doesn’t simply require writing cheques for the proper amounts payable to the proper people to do the job – or to put it another way, whether he is, as a matter of fact, a capable politician.

        Winning the election is only the first necessary step to gaining the accolades and honors which are rightfully accorded to any President who does well while serving in Office – just as being accounted as a good King requires more than simply being the proper person to next ascend to the Throne.

        “By their fruits you shall know them.” IMHO, that saying applies to Presidents and Kings, as well as it does to prophets.

        1. Propertius

          I don’t think anyone has any real idea what Trump’s net worth is (least of all Trump himself). If I’m not mistaken, the amount of his real estate holdings has diminished considerably and much of his income is derived from licensing the Trump name to properties which he does not own and has little involvement with. I’m sure he’s quite well-off, but I’m not sure he’s quite as wealthy as he wants everyone to believe.

          He’s an excellent salesman, though.

  3. petal

    What? This really happened? I went to bed by 8 last night because I wasn’t feeling well. The first thing I opened was NC. Trump really won? I haven’t woken up in some alternate universe? I wore black today because I thought for sure Clinton won. My friends that voted for HC were crowing last night. Holy Moses. Wow. Looking forward to reading through everyone’s comments today for sure. Cheers.

      1. PlutoniumKun

        The funny thing is, at least one Trump golf course is threatened by rising seawater and his consultants are arguing that he has to reinforce it because of climate change.

        Its ironic I think that it could well be the threat to one of his golf courses that could change his mind and make a real difference.

        1. Cry Shop

          You hit on one of the positives of Trump that many have painted as a negative. He may flip-flop, but at least he’s willing to change his mind when the situation demands it. Clinton might think Climate Change is real, but she always gave me the feeling that she had no passion for it (or anything other than money and herself for that matter).

          1. nippersdad

            I think your impression was correct. To know and be concerned about global warming and still be the fracking queen are real tells as to what her concerns actually are. It was clearly more important to her to keep the oil trains running than it was to keep the bayou dwelling deplorables feet dry. I imagine her rationale always was that with the cash she gains from screwing over the little people she could always buy a mountain and still have money left over to man the gun emplacements necessary to protect it.

            I’ll always take the person who openly hates you to the one who smiles at you as they stick a knife in your back.

          2. hunkerdown

            I’m not sure in what kind of world it is considered a plus to immovably execute on a plan for four years with no regard to what is in front of it.

            Clearly the American system was designed around minimizing political risk for the political classes.

      2. pretzelattack

        true, at least we have more of an opportunity to take advantage of the disruption of the parties. and a bit lower chance of a war with russia, always a good thing.

        1. Tom Stone

          The next big fight will be Roe VS Wade
          If it is framed as a class issue ( Rightly because gender issues are inherently class issues as well) it’s winnable.
          ” Hey, if Trump’s rich bitch daughter gets knocked up by her Eurotrash Boyfriend do you think she’s going to use a clothes hangar and risk bleeding out, or do you think she’ll fly to Canada and get a safe abortion”.
          And that’s the truth of the matter, overturn Roe VS Wade and any woman who doesn’t have the money to go to a civilized country is risking death.
          Because they don’t have the money.
          If that’s not a class issue, what is?

          1. Yves Smith Post author

            Trump has never been seriously anti-abortion. He had to look more Republican after he won the nomination and took that position only then. He’s a billionaire playboy. He knows full well, no doubt from pretty close-hand experience, that if you are going to have people have sex freely, you need abortions and birth control. So I don’t see him investing political capital going after this one.

            However, he is gonna recommend a Supreme Court justice, and by virtue of having other priorities, he could nominate one that is anti-choice because Trump likes the judge’s stance on other issues and knows he will be approved.

          2. Propertius

            The Republicans have had the votes to overturn Roe v. Wade for years, and they’ve never tried. It’s too valuable as a fundraising tool.

      3. Carolinian

        I suspect Trump may not be nearly as bad as the scaremongers think because–unlike Clinton–he cares about what the public thinks of him. Narcissists need an adoring audience. Of course if you believe that audience itself is depraved then you may be renewing your passport.

        Speaking as a heartlander we’re really not that scary.

        Other thought: voting matters. Just ask the shocked PTB.

        1. GMoore

          Cokie Roberts and her ilk are only making things worse. Trumpets are still angry. They have been called white trash, trailer park gun nuts – and worse.

          The only thing they are going to be telling Big Daddy is – sic em! Does no one understand the enormity of the anger out there?

          Roberts sounded like a spiteful neighbor, wondering where you got the money for that nice new RV – cautioning neighbors that perhaps, just perhaps, you didn’t earn it.

          Trumpets want the Donald as Emperor for Life. They don’t care what he does to whom. So long as he does it for Norman Rockwell Americana. Colorado may have gone Clinton, but that’s Boulder, Denver yups, ski towns and tony retreats.

          Real Colorado wants round ups of Muslims and Illegals. The more heavy handed the better, because nobody is quantifying the “vengeance” factor among a whole lot of bedrock Americans.

          Now they have to listen to Morning Joe lament the destruction of the world by these Viking losers.

          1. Carolinian

            A telling bit from this morning’s Margaret Sullivan Washington Post story on what happened.

            “The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of the Islamic State. We wanted details.

            But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.

            They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”

            People out in the country looked at Trump and saw the sort of blowhard businessman type they were fully familiar with and he seemed to make sense. Clinton on the other hand was weird–sneaky and secretive. And she was tripped up by her own know-it-all personality. Why would someone think threatening war with Russia was a smart political move? Trump played the daddy type–I will take care of you. Clinton on the other hand was Mommie Dearest–no wire coathangers.

            Last night was surprising but not shocking. The establishment left has a reality problem.

          2. Katharine

            Real Colorado wants round ups of Muslims and Illegals. The more heavy handed the better, because nobody is quantifying the “vengeance” factor among a whole lot of bedrock Americans.

            It is comments like that that give your “real Colorado” a bad name. There are a lot of decent, law-abiding Muslims in this country who have the same rights you do. Who gave anyone a right to call for “roundups” of these Americans?

            1. GMoore

              If Colorado has a bad name, please spread it around Long Island so we might have some respite on home prices.

              Everything I said flew past you. Your ham handed attack on “real Colorado” proved my point. I was describing the “reaction” not the cause. Good people tire of abuse by condescending elites. Schadenfreude is a great word.

              Trumpets have been vilified, pissed and spit upon, and told they are uneducated knuckle dragging racists.

              Real Colorado has provided sanctuary to millions of Latino migrants. The Rockies and Southwest have been a pretty happy mixture of white, red and brown for a hundred years now.

              But when Latinos revealed their interests lay with 600 million to the south of us, rather than to their fellow Americans, it was a slap in the face to those who offered them a hand up from the failed cultures they fled – and failed to establish for themselves.

              So Trumpets in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah began to question how many cheeks they had to proffer.

              Do we want to welcome more Latinos or Muslims to engage in demographic warfare against us? The lines were drawn not by Trumpets, but those who saw a chance to flash mob the infirmary and mess hall of their hosts.

              The left ignores the obvious vengeance factor. Trumpets are scolded to accept benevolent victory, over those who hate them. The crimes against Trumpets are tangible and not soon forgotten.

              So you can be sure no matter what Big Daddy says bring out the portable guillotines, they’ll applaud and order up more popcorn.

              Please don’t try to horde the moral high ground now. The time for that was back when people were first mumbling about the left’s devastation of a successful culture, family, norms and mores.

              Fortunately for my mixed family – we aren’t ruptured over this election. We have greenies, gopers, nativists, globalists and Trumpets in the mix. We know, care, and understand each other. We haven’t been slinging insults at each other for 2 years.

          3. Antifa

            I voted for Mr. Trump because it was the most effective action available to stop Hillary. He’s a monkey wrench in the neoliberal machine, and a very necessary one. Hillary was planning to assault a Russian no-fly zone already in place in Syria.

            In Trump’s acceptance speech he said four encouraging things:

            * America wants to live in peace with all other nations — no more wars, no more invasions.

            * He mentioned that he has over 200 retired generals and admirals consulting with him, which raises the possibility that this was just maybe a Pentagon-led insurrection against Hillary’s plans for WWIII. The Pentagon has never won an honest war game against Iran, and most admirals admit that our sixteen aircraft carriers are just fat, slow targets for swarms of supersonic Russian and Chinese and Iranian missiles. The Pentagon doesn’t want a real war; they just want more money for new toys.

            * He said we are going to rebuild our infrastructure here at home.

            * He said we will create millions of jobs here rebuilding our infrastructure.

            None of that is edible to a neoliberal.

            But then he spoiled everything by introducing a series of beloved friends and advisors, “terrific people” every one of them, including Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Huckabee. Every one of them an incompetent and corrupt ideological greedhead who has no direct connection to the real world. I would have thought Trump knew them as such already. None of them belong in government.


            Official Washington now has to decide on whether to let Hillary slide on her felonies while prosecuting Trump for running a fraudulent university, or, let Trump’s felonies slide if he promises to let Hillary’s crimes just fade away. Trump’s true believers implacably want Hillary prosecuted and jailed. Understandably. She’s killed a lot of innocent people, and ruined a whole lot more. But, Trump will probably accept such a quid pro quo arrangement to smooth everything over. He’s ruined her political career and the Clinton dynasty. Hillary’s got no more influence to sell, so she’ll have to grow old with Bill, each of them more irrelevant by the day. That may be punishment enough.

            If Obama gives Hillary a blanket pre-pardon, Trump can still hold a year’s worth of Truth and Reconciliation hearings on the Clintons, their Foundation, the DNC, and follow the breadcrumbs all the way to Obama. Being connected to the Hillary email mess will ruin Obama’s legacy, so that isn’t likely to be allowed.

            1. Lambert Strether

              > incompetent and corrupt ideological greedhead

              Sadly, “personnel is policy.”

              > Hillary’s got no more influence to sell,

              But what about the influence the Clintons already sold? I can imagine some people — the Saudis, say — being quite unhappy with losing their money, and very willing to share their unhappiness with Clinton dynasty members.

            2. Propertius

              Official Washington now has to decide on whether to let Hillary slide on her felonies while prosecuting Trump for running a fraudulent university, or, let Trump’s felonies slide if he promises to let Hillary’s crimes just fade away.

              Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the Trump University proceedings a civil suit brought by former customers, not a criminal action? So at this point there are no actual charges of “felonies”.

              The suits can certainly proceed – the Paula Jones case pretty well established that a President (and therefore certainly a President-elect) can be sued over matters that arose before he or she took office and can be required to give testimony.

            3. Adamski

              I want him to go for the jugular. I don’t believe Clinton believes her career is over, and there’s always Chelsea (please don’t tell me you’d put that past them, considering how greedy they are; her name is on the Foundation and she got a speaking slot at the Dem convention). Hence when she conceded Clinton said Trump, the winner, should be “given a chance to lead”. How magnanimous. Would she hope to be nominated again in another 4 yrs? And wouldn’t the party machine prefer to think of this all as a bad dream instead of look the donors and lobbyists in the eye and say “you can’t have it all”? I don’t want her to set herself up as the anti-Trump, the answer to their prayers after 4 yrs of him.

              1. PlutoniumKun

                Its actually a very interesting question as to where the Clintons go from here.

                A lot depends I think on whether the Dem liberal establishment run like rats from a sinking ship, hoping to take shelter around someone else (Joe Biden? Michelle?), or whether they decide there is strength in numbers to protect everyone (there must be dozens of insiders terrified about what emails will pop up implicating them in criminal acts) by clustering around the Clintons.

                You would imagine the Clintons would, at their ages and medical conditions, try to retire gracefully, like Bush Jnr. But I don’t think that’s in their nature at all.

                I suspect Obama, etc., will be frantically trying to do a deal with Trump. The question is, what they are willing to deal away to get him to drop any pursuit of the Clintons (and everyone else likely to be dragged in, including OHB).

        2. JTMcPhee

          “Voting matters”? Not to worry …plans are under way to bring “voting” more in line with what the Founding Fathers intended in the original document… with a nod to how Joe Stalin counted votes. No more of this rabble having any say in who is “legitimate figurehead,” or “policy.” (This, of course, is pure snarky uninformed speculation, right? Who would ever think of disenfranchising whole sectors of the grimy working and disabled-by-age-or-misfortune-or-genetics populace, in favor of appointment by Informed and Important People?)

          1. apber

            I wonder if, in the future, or sooner than we would like, debt slaves will be allowed to vote, or allowed to have an opinion. After all, slaves are still slaves, no matter the adjective.

          1. WheresOurTeddy

            I live in FarNorCal aka “DNO” (Damn Near Oregon) and it’s Trumpland. Scary doesn’t begin to describe it.

            Shit’s going to get real when Darth Pence gets the reigns to domestic policy.

      4. WheresOurTeddy

        This election was F vs F+.

        I’ll leave it up to the individual to decide which was which.

        We said “Bernie in July or Trump in November” but did the Corporate D party listen? This is what they deserve, even if it’s not what we deserve.

    1. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      Life is a journey.

      A small victory last night – America (whose greatness was demonstrated by the very act) stopped Hillary.

      And more work to do today, tomorrow and every day after that. Some will help with reaching to the world to let them know that we desire peace and brotherhood. Others, with helping dying Americans. There will be plenty of work available to those interested in taking over and rebuilding the D party.

      1. cwaltz

        I don’t think we demonstrated greatness as much as we demonstrated sick and tiredness.

        Americans are pretty done with DC and their nanny like attitude while showing abusive tendencies to its citizenry. They wanted health care but not the health care that was negotiated in closed doors for them. They want to see the elite punished the same way they would be if they broke the law. They want to be treated as important instead of simply as a wallet, constantly being told we can’t afford nice things like Social Security while DC blows money on things like Ukraine, Syria, and other nations and DC politicians fatten their wallets.

        The funny thing is they didn’t repudiate what I see as liberal values, they passed minimum wage laws in all 4 states that had it on the ballot, in my state of Virginia they defeated a constitutional amendment that would have enshrined right to work, marijuana laws passed in all but Arizona. They instead repudiated a DC insider who they saw as someone who operated above the law. The young, AAs and Latinos shrugged when the nanny party that brought us the ACA insisted they had to vote Clinton for the good of the country. They saw right through the stuffed wallets of DC insiders who constantly seem to benefit on the backs of the electorate who haven’t from ANYTHING that has been done to “fix” our broken country.

        1. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

          Stopping Hillary was not a demonstration of sickness.

          Perhaps we demonstrated that we were tired and sick, but stopping her was a not demonstration of sickness or tiredness.

          It’s an act of overcoming sickness to do something – to go out, wait in line to vote.

          And if we were sick and yet were able to get out and vote, that is greatness.

          1. cwaltz

            I’m going to be sad when you all learn that the exercise of voting for Trump meant less than zip. You went out to wait in line and Trump’s very first speech was one that said what a wonderful public servant Hillary Clinton was. How great thou art! LOL

            I wonder if you all will get the customary year grieving period before you recognize that Trump belongs to the very same social set the Clintons run in. Make America Great again will be the New Hope and Change.

            Still thinking like a first world country where standing in line for a half hour is some exercise of greatness…..

            1. WheresOurTeddy

              Half the country is happy that their blonde, 1%er oligarch from NY won.

              Half the country is sad that *their* blonde, 1%er oligarch from NY lost.

              WE ALL LOST. Barring impeachment or death, we have 1461 days of Trump.

              We had FDR minus the racism and patrician background and the Party rigged the primary for The Empress (Presumptress?). The Democratic party has nobody to blame but themselves. A pox on all their houses.

            2. todde

              At least the democrats might find a spine and stop Trump when he wants to do something for the establishment

              1. Propertius

                You have a promising career in stand-up comedy, I think.

                Why would Democrats oppose “something for the establishment”? We’re not talking about the Weathermen here, we’re talking about the same Democratic Party that raised over a billion dollars for this last election cycle – most of it in dark money contributed by the usual billionaires and the rest at $50k/plate fundraisers in Manhattan, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and the Hamptons.

                They *are* the establishment.

      2. Optimader

        Well said ++++
        It will remain to see what we are working with but the politicsl triage was successful.

        I bow to the electorate for recognizing that a known evil with generational follow on potential had to be neutralized.

      3. Judith

        Speaking of which.

        If you are near Boston today, there is a #noDAPL solidarity march at 4 (from email):

        “Here’s the #noDAPL update many of you have been waiting for: Join a peaceful march Wed. Nov. 9 beginning at 4pm at Park St. station in Boston in support of the Indigenous water protectors and their allies at Standing Rock.”

    2. diptherio

      If only these absentee ballots from our deployed military could have made it home in time, we might be living in a different country this morning (note the source):

      Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted, with preliminary counts showing that they would have overturned the vote in several states and brought a victory for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

      Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system.

      Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month before they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan. At Camp Dwyer, Marine Sgt. John Davis signed for them and was surprised at the contents.

      “I told Gunny we got a bunch of ballots instead of ammo,” Davis told investigators earlier today. “He told me to file a report of improper delivery and that the chain of command would take care of it. We didn’t hear anything for three weeks.”

      He added: “While we were waiting, we came under fire so we dumped a bunch of them in the Hesco barriers. We didn’t dig those ones back out.”

      1. John k

        Has a bs smell. Trump got a boost when speaking to troops about avoiding unnecessary wars. And what was too late? This am? Then how did they get even preliminarily counted?

        1. diptherio

          It’s satire…maybe if I’d quoted the last paragraph too it would have been more clear:

          Upon hearing the news, angry Democrats have demanded a recount, but most military absentee voters have shrugged off the news, with many wondering whether the care packages their families sent six months ago were ever going to show up.

          1. RMO

            The last few decades have not been a wonderful time for satire – no matter how ridiculous the author tries to make their satirical writing quite often it gets topped by reality. Sometimes I think everything that I perceive as having happened in since the 90’s is going to be revealed to have been an arch Andy Kaufman performance art piece when he unplugs a direct neural induction virtual reality link from my head.

  4. jgordon

    I have a prediction for the Trump presidency: it’ll be an unmitigated disaster. But we’ll live through it, so that’s fine. Just focus on building a sustainable local community and stop expecting anything from the national government and you have the right idea for how to move forward in a positive direction.

    The Archdruid’s book “Green Wizardry” is pretty good. Check that out!

    1. a different chris

      >building a sustainable local community

      Yeah how do you do that when they can eminent domain anything of yours they think should be theirs?

      1. a different chris

        When they don’t even have to do that, they can just pollute upstream/upwind and you are told to like it.

        I do agree that we should localize as much as possible, but it isn’t the 1600’s… the Industrial Revolution put paid to pure Amish-style localism.

        1. jgordon

          Those are real problems but two things: first you should learn and investigate as much as possible to minimize those problems by selecting the right location, and second due the era we’re living in such large scale political units and mechanical industrial in fracture required to do those things won’t be around for much longer anyway.

          Philosophically, life is a crap shoot. The universe doesn’t owe any of us a comfortable living full of peace and plenty–or even existence itself. If we had organized our societies and technologies properly then an easy life would be possible, however we didn’t. Now we will eat the consequences of our stupid lifestyles just like every other living thing on the planet has to. If we’re lucky and make the right choices from here on out some of us might even survive that. If we persist in being boneheads we’re done. Go cry to mother nature about how unfair and brutish life is, or worse live in a dream world of delusions, and she’ll slap you.

          By the way I am thankful that Trump won, only because I’m a very optimistic person and I believe that it is possible for a few of us to survive despite all the ugly crap that’ll be hitting us this century. My optimism would have been a lot less under Hillary.

          1. JTMcPhee

            “We” didn’t organize the political economy the way it is. That was accomplished by a few people who by fortuity or genetics figured out where the pressure points are and where the fulcrums and levers of power are kept. Like the Fuggers, (because it is politically incorrect to mention the Rothschilds). Most of us, as a commenter here pointed out recently from the observations of that guy who rode a bicycle across the planet and talked to ordinary people everywhere, just want a decent place to work and raise a family, with enough edible food and potable water and breathable air.

            One has to admire the persistence of the “Sauve qui peut” ideology of probably too many of “us.” I, of course, have my little armory and some experience in using it — one wonders, in the event, how many of us will rob or kill our neighbors in order to “survive…”

            1. jgordon

              I can’t believe how my phone autocorrects the stuff I try to thumb in. I think I’m going to destroy it one of these days.

          2. tongorad

            …investigate as much as possible to minimize those problems by selecting the right location.

            The issue is that working class people do not have the power to select and/or investigate. Ours is not a menu of lifestyle choices. We are on a forced march.

            1. jgordon

              Most people are not going to live through the population bottleneck coming up. That’s neither right nor wrong; that’s just the way it is.

              Being poor is not the disadvantage you’re imagining it is. It many contexts it can even be considered an advantage. Rather people who are incurious and inflexible are the least likely to pass on their genes in the future.

          1. a different chris

            Heck, remember the Native Americans had an very, very compelling lifestyle – a lot of settlers went native – and oddly enough, the data seems to show that they had de-evolved (Cahokia) for whatever reason.

            Anyway, we didn’t even pollute them out, we just shot all the buffalo.

            So again localism needs a lot of non-local support.

      2. Waldenpond

        If TPP passes cities and counties will have to pay lost profits to make a corporation go away. Except for the wealthiest communities, they can’t.

        If TPP passes, our community will end up with a LNG plant. yippee.

        1. jgordon

          First TPP is extremely unlikely to pass with Trump as president now, one of the few positives he offers.

          Second, bloated corporations and governments will look a lot like the dinosaurs after the meteor hit soon enough. The energy they breath is already becoming rarefied.

    2. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      It has been one unmitigated disaster with one president after another, for I don’t remember how long.

      My prediction is it will be less unmitigated in some areas, and more in other areas, compared, to make it short, just the last few years.

    3. Jeremy Grimm

      I enjoyed reading the Archdruid’s Sci Fi story — “Star’s Reach”. I haven’t finished “Green Wizardry” yet. I got stuck on the chapter about composting and put the book down. My initial feeling was that “Green Wizardry” didn’t go far enough. It’s important to build a sustainable community and it always was. There are too many things a Green Wizard needs to master and not enough to conserve the learning we gained during these times of high energy use and waste. The Amish-style localism, as “a different chris” states will not be enough though many of deliberate choices the Amish make will be choices we will be forced to make as the world transitions into a new climate as we use up the last cheap energy.

        1. Jeremy Grimm

          Thanks for the link. I’ll poke around that site. I’m definitely interested in moving off the grids and dealing with power, sewer and water issues. I feel reasonably sure these problems are best solved at a small community level. Single dwelling self-sufficiency is a nice goal but shared power generation, sewage treatment and water treatment seems like the best solution. I believe knowledge will prove the most valuable tool for preparing for the future.

          1. subgenius

            The way to deal with sewage is to NOT MAKE IT in the first place. You want AEROBIC decomposition…and to retain the product locally…

            1. Jeremy Grimm

              Your suggestion not to make sewage — taken literally — struck me as funny. Where could I find a cork strong enough?

              I know what you mean though.

              1. subgenius

                Sewage is the mixing of waste with water. Don’t mix with water, compost it – with a 3 month + curing period after the last added material.

                The longest that GI tract pathogens can survive outside a GI tract is 28-29 days. A decent compost pile will kill them off generally, but give it a little extra time for safety.

                The problem with night soil and pathogens is due to the lack of curing time

        2. subgenius

          I was part of a team that built one (led by Mike Reynolds). They’re awesome….except for the packing car tires with earth (a couple of thousand times…)

          I would recommend taking the systems aspects, but building with cob/strawbale – way more fun, and way more sculptural.

          1. Lambert Strether

            I’ve seen a haybale house built, and it’s pretty neat.

            One local thing to do, however, is investigating and modifying building codes that optimize for stick-built houses.

      1. jgordon

        Green Wizardry is a short introduction to the subject of appropriate technology with some novel ideas. If you want something in depth I’d recommend a two volume set called “Edible Forest Gardens.”

        But yeah the way of living today is to pour unlimited fossil fuel energy into any and every problem and then pretend that the problem is gone for good. All those “solved” problems are suddenly going to hit us all at once when the energy is even slightly lacking. Disaster!

  5. Pat

    There was no winning yesterday. There was no good choice. Unfortunately we may not be in gridlock as I do not think the Democrats know how to be an opposition party. Or how to negotiate. So we dodged one bullet but may be walking into the mine field.

    Today I think I am saddest for the young man I met on the bus yesterday. He was urging people to vote (for Hillary) and unfortunately got me. He is on disability with anxiety issues and more. He needs the social services he probably has too few of already. He will be hurt. Clinton was unlikely to protect him, but as we know from the states no one is going to care in a GOP Congress. I weep for him and others like him.

    I hate the isolated entitled twats who decided that it was Clinton’s turn no matter what. And that being Republican lite was a winning strategy because of campaign money and later job opportunities voters be damned. And that starts with the Clintons themselves.

  6. allan

    Unless the corrupt incompetents who comprise the Democratic `ecosystem’ are rooted out, fast, and banned from politics for life, the party is doomed to a decades-long minority status. But the odds for that happening aren’t good.
    Expect instead to see a good round of hippie punching.

    Absent a miracle, the GOP is going to do to the US what Walker has done to Wisconsin.
    Except that Walker didn’t have the FBI and NSA at his disposal.

    1. uncle tungsten

      Absent a miracle the GOP is going to do what the Dems have been heading towards in ten more years. Now the Dems have been derailed a little so maybe there is time to change its direction.

  7. voteforno6

    Re: Thomas Frank’s latest

    This is a fantastic column. You’re right, it should be distributed widely. I didn’t realize that he had a bit of sly devil to him, too. Check out the hyperlinks in the article – maybe it’s just me, but he seems to be calling out some of the worst media offenders.

    1. fresno dan

      November 9, 2016 at 7:46 am

      “Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away
      The even larger problem is that there is a kind of chronic complacency that has been rotting American liberalism for years, a hubris that tells Democrats they need do nothing different, they need deliver nothing really to anyone – except their friends on the Google jet and those nice people at Goldman. ”

      It is one of those things that don’t make ANY sense at all, but it is never ever spoken – – poor white people in trailers are responsible for racism, BUT Blankfein, Dimon, Gates, Zuckerberg, and all the other billionaires have absolutely nothing to do with it, and of course, money cannot solve the problem of poverty….

    2. Lambert Strether

      I think a “disaster for liberalism” is a good thing. Liberals put the market first (just watch the endless solicitude for the ObamaCare “marketplace” at the Times). The left puts the working class first. And I learned this distinction from Frank!

      Adding, this is spot-on:

      If Trump is a fascist, as liberals often said, Democrats should have put in their strongest player to stop him, not a party hack they’d chosen because it was her turn. Choosing her indicated either that Democrats didn’t mean what they said about Trump’s riskiness, that their opportunism took precedence over the country’s well-being, or maybe both.


  8. Optimader

    Well now, turns out HRC was sooo done she didnt need to be poked with a fork aftereall.
    Its a good news bad news storyfor the ages
    Good news The Clintons had a wooden stake driven in their dark hearts
    Bad news We had to elect the first orange haired POTUS to do it.

    I imagine Scott Adams has a few nastygrams mixed in his bag of telegrams….and there is a DC based drapery supplier crying in their beer? Id say he fairly nailed it.

    1. abynormal

      +, i woke to the news…a smirk slowly attached to my face. i’m sure orange head will remove the smirk in short order.

      here’s a quote with you in mind Opti!:
      You have to think anyway, so why not think big? ~ Donald Trump

      1. Optimader

        Indeed , thanks Aby.
        Think big and act judiciously, eh?

        America will move in a heroic direction if we take pause and stop killing citizen in their own Countries and making therecities living hell

  9. EndOfTheWorld

    RE: “Who Are the Team Trump Players Heading for Washington?”–I don’t subscribe to Financial Times so I can’t read it, but it will be interesting to see who Trump chooses for his cabinet and finance related positions. IMHO, he can choose somebody who used to work for major banks—this doesn’t mean he’s selling his soul. On the contrary, if he wants to bring back Glass-Steagall, for example, or get rid of TPP, he needs people working FOR HIM who know the rules of the game and how they can be changed. Pence, IMHO, is in this category.

    Trump is neither an idiot nor a toady. I liked his acceptance speech, delivered in a brusque manner, like “OK, this campaign stuff is over, now it’s time to get down to business.”

    1. MLS

      I have heard that Chris Christie (who won’t get through the vetting process), Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich are being considered for cabinet positions.

      Read into that what you will.

      1. uncle tungsten

        The only cabinet Christie is headed for is the one at the end of the yard with iron bars for window and door.

  10. voteforno6

    It seemed like some here were very critical of Bernie Sanders, for his support of Clinton during the general campaign. Hopefully they see the wisdom of his strategy now. The knives will be out, and some of them will be directed at Sanders. He’s already outflanked them, though. Sometimes it’s easy to forget that Sanders has very good political instincts, on top of being mostly right about the issues. That’s the only way someone like him has been able to get as far as he has. He certainly didn’t have establishment help along the way.

    1. PlutoniumKun

      +1 I think Sanders has been very clever in his political manoeuvrings since he conceded. Like many here, I had hoped he would burn the house down in his concession speech, but I guess the reason he has been so successful in politics is because he is a very very smart politician.

      When the dust settles, I think he and Elizabeth Warren and maybe Tulsi Gabbard will find themselves in a very much stronger position within the party.

      1. vlade

        I believe this will be true especially for Warren. I can see her as the Dem candidate for 2020 – she’s not too radical (except for banks), she’s a woman, she’s ex Republican, she’s well spoken… and DNC can’t sink her for not supporting HRC this cycle.

        1. NotTimothyGeithner

          Gabbard. Too many people who know who Warren is noticed her absence in the primary when she might have made a real difference.

        2. sj

          I deeply appreciate Warren’s efforts wrt banking and finance. i have repeatedly watched and shared some of the videos of her committee questioning of various bad actors . However, to be honest, I am sick to death of ex-Republicans steering the Democratic party.

      2. notabanker

        I’d like to believe this, but much like Mish’s Fed Uncertainty Principles;
        “government/quasi-government body most responsible for creating this mess (the Fed), will attempt a big power grab, purportedly to fix whatever problems it creates. The bigger the mess it creates, the more power it will attempt to grab. Over time this leads to dangerously concentrated power into the hands of those who have already proven they do not know what they are doing.”

        I personally see another Obama running soon.

        1. dunze

          Watch out for Kamala Harris — California’s next Senator. I think she is following Obama’s trajectory

          1. dunze

            As a more detailed response, my (too early because a lot of things can change in 4 years) prediction is that the next Democratic nomination will be a battle between Tulsi Gabbard and Kamala Harris. Tulsi took many steps to set herself up as the successor to the Sanders “coalition” (using the word coalition for lack of a better work), including stepping down as DNC vice chair to strongly endorse Sanders. Harris has astutely avoided taking strong policy positions, and ran a Senatorial campaign mainly on name recognition and being more liberal than her strongly republican (even though in the Democratic party) competitor. She is a policy blank slate, who is half-black and half-south asian. But based on her actions when she was a local San Francisco politician, her policies are very similar to Obama.

            If Tulsi and Kamala square off in the Democrat Primary in 2020, there would be echoes of the Sanders/Clinton primary.

      3. RabidGandhi

        I agree as to Sanders’ political instincts (eg, I was grossly wrong to initially criticise him for running as a D, which turned out to be sheer genius), but I am not as willing to assume the destruction of the DNC post-election. The DNC’s main goal this cycle was not to defeat Trump, but as per usual, to punch hippies, which they did quite effectively by stealing the primaries from Sanders. There is still a healthy chunk of people with plenty of power who retain this anti-left calling, and if history is any guide, they will spend the Trump presidency co-opting as much of the left’s momentum and diverting it toward the most conservative Democrat candidates they can dig up. Of course, this does not mean that I disagree with you that Sanders and Warren are well-positioned after last night, but they will still have a yuge uphill battle.

        1. voteforno6

          Sure they have a yuuuge battle to fight. It helps that they’re both fighters. Heck, Sanders is more of a brawler. The one’s they’re going to be fighting still have power, but at some point their string of electoral losses have to take their toll. Heck, these are the same people who blew an election to Trump.

        2. Lambert Strether

          We really need a “Hall of Shame” of the Democrat nomenklata. Leaving Obama and Clinton herself off the list, because they both deserve entire Halls devoted to themselves personally, who has suggestions?

          1) Debbie Wasserman Schultz

          2) Jon Tester <-- DSCC chair 3) John Podesta 4) Donna Brazile 5) Collective portrait of Clinton campaign team (Mook, Mills, Abedin, etc 6) Howard Dean 7) John Lewis 8) Collective portrait of Clinton campaign surrogates (Albright, Steinem, etc) 9) Harry Reid 10) Jon Ralston <-- chair throwing dude 11) David Brock 12) Dean Baquet 13) Collective protrait of newspaper published all of whom endorsed Clinton That would be a fun post. Maybe I should write it up. Readers, thoughts? "Wanted: For Electoral Malfeasance"

    2. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      I think those interested in rebuilding the D party need to reach out to others, like people in the Green Party.

      And hopefully people who have campaigned for Hillary don’t have much involvement in that…a clean breakup, after some soul searching (the first sign is to admit there is a problem, not denials – denials like what I am hearing this morning on the local public radio)….right now, they’re enjoying Trump’s irony about an earlier statement by him that the electoral college was a disaster.

      Like small states, for example, Vermont, should have the same number of senators as, say, Michigan. Not even the electoral college is that blatant.

      Those radio guys are really into ironies.

      1. Synoia

        We need to ensure those who turned 60 this year retire from politics.

        End this Baby Boomer Bullshit.

      2. Lambert Strether

        I’m not against reaching out to individuals, but the Green as a party had a better chance to make a dent this year than they’ve ever had, and muffed it. It really is too bad, but they are not a serious party, and perennial candidate Stein is a nice person with her heart in the right place, but not a serious candidate.

    3. JTMcPhee

      Go to places like kos and you will see that the “It’s all Bernie and Bros’ Fault” is one of the “stupid voters, don’t they know it was the Clantons’ TURN and our moment to shine and celebrate?” memes and themes that’s being pounded.

      1. voteforno6

        Not all that…some of the people who were banished during the primary have come roaring back. I hope they do so, and vigorously. This is a battle that needs to be fought now.

        1. JTMcPhee

          For some reason, even though I’m a longtime whispered kid participant, even my smallest most polite little comments are disappearing. Some technical glitch, no doubt.

          But yes, former sensible voices are making themselves heard, over the crazed profanity and rage of the disappointed Hillarites…

  11. Foppe

    MoJo doubling down:

    Trump realized that his bombastic, bigoted statements would be heralded by some corners of the media, mocked by others, and given wall-to-wall coverage by all. Newsroom traditions of putting separate teams of reporters on each candidate also helped ensure that Hillary Clinton’s email scandals were given the same weight as the mountain of allegations against Trump.

    And social media failed us most of all. Even as armies of Trump’s bigoted supporters—some real, some bots—started harassing reporters and civilians with racist and anti-Semitic images and general filth, Twitter did nothing. Even as Macedonian teens exploited Facebook’s algorithms by flooding the zone with fake news designed to appeal to Trump supporters (they were in it for the Google AdWords cash), Facebook, too, did nothing. The founder of Oculus went so far as to gleefully fund a “shitpost” factory to promote Trump.

    Trump was aided by Vladimir Putin. He was aided by the internal politics of the FBI, driven by, as we have seen with too many police forces, wagon-circling at best and authoritarian racism at worst. He deftly wove fears of the left together with fears of the right. He never ever, not once, offered us anything but fear. He made us—even those who fought valiantly—smaller by dragging us into his swamp of hate and depravity.

    Acrimony has already started. The circular firing squads on the left will line up. The reasonable right—and yes, many did distinguish themselves by repudiating Trump—is left hanging. Those who didn’t vote, or who protest voted, or carped about what an imperfect candidate Clinton was will all come under fire. As will those who helped nominate her.

    But I say to you: There is no time, no room, no space to do anything but push back against what, in large part, this will turn out to be: not just a protest vote by rural whites who feel left behind, but the coming out of a burgeoning white nationalist, authoritarian movement.

    1. temporal

      So the Onion and Mother Jones have the same writers, I guess. It was a giant conspiracy to make HRC look bad by supporting everything she did and ignoring everything she did wrong.

    2. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      Maybe there will be a new cult in the the future, and this article, with all the legends and myths it contains, will be one of the key sacred books.

    3. daniel kearns

      November 9, 2016 at 8:14 am

      Because everything is perfect when the dems Goldman Sachs treasury secretary is in the president’s cabinet…

    4. oh

      I used to think that Mother Jones was a good magazine but now that I read this and other sycophant pieces I realize how much of a party pravda it is. These writers live in a mythical paradise.

      They just can’t take losing, can they?

    5. Lambert Strether

      The country that elected Obama twice is now a white nationalist country. Oh. OK.

      This is all about creating demon figures. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all down to a liberal funding model, period. The techniques remind me of how the conservatives funded their own cottage industry of conspiratorial lunacy for years.

      “Putin, red in tooth and claw.” I can see the brochure now… And of course, bonus points to combining warmongering red-baiting with posting as the resistance; it’s a neat trick.

      UPDATE I checked; the article is by that Clara Jeffery.

  12. Timmy

    Which Democrat is the early thought to challenge Trump in 20? And who will follow Bernie on the Left?

    1. hunkerdown

      The left-liberal alliance may be broken. Liberals don’t hold up their end of agreements. Well, good. Liberalism has nothing to offer leftism anyway, and it’s time the whip was torn out of its hand.

      1. Lambert Strether

        I don’t think there was any sort of formal alliance, and people tend to use “progressive,” “liberal,” and “left” interchangeably. The Sanders campaign drove a wedge between liberal and left, fortunately. And then the liberals ran the S.S. Clinton into the iceberg. It remains to be seen who will actually make it into the lifeboats, but my guess would be first class passengers only…

  13. EndOfTheWorld

    BTW, President Duterte of the Philippines says “his country can enhance relations with the US and congratulates Trump, a month after telling Obama to ‘go to hell.'” (

    The rest of the world is not experiencing the same shock as Mother Jones, Rachel Maddow, et al, who will just have to “get over it.”

    1. PlutoniumKun

      My first text this morning was to a Filipina friend saying I would love to be invited to the post-party when Duterte and Trump have their first get-together. It would be fun.

      1. EndOfTheWorld

        It’s important for world peace for Trump to go along with Duterte in his recognition that nobody needs to go to war with China. BTW, Vladimir Putin, now immortalized in song by Randy Newman, also telegrammed congratulations and toasted The Donald’s victory with champagne ( That’s another country we don’t need to go to war with.

    2. OIFVet

      The MSMs and the political establishment in Europe are experiencing the same shock, many of the regular people and the alternative media outlets in Southeastern Europe are breathing a sigh of relief that maybe, just maybe, the insane collision course with Russia is about to be reversed by a Trump administration. The first round of Bulgaria’s presidential election last Sunday was won by the challenger, the former commander of the BG Air Force (an US Air Force War College graduate) who ran on abandoning the antagonistic anti-Russia policies and rhetoric. The US-funded establishment there had a coronary, but today many analysts are predicting that the challenger will resoundingly win the run-offs this coming Sunday due to Trump’s victory. The status quo is teetering in many of the colonies, and the Trump aftershocks will no doubt will have some interesting effects in Europe.

        1. OIFVet

          Speaking of sultans, the grand- and great-grandchildren of the last formal one, Abdul Hamid II, are apparently suing to claim some of what were his personal lands in Bulgaria, Syria, and elsewhere. If that happens, the courts will have to consider the land claims of the descendants of the hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian refugees from Southeastern Thrace. Many of these refugees settled in my part of Bulgaria, I went to school with their grandchildren, and the emotions are very raw even 100 years later. Edirne (or should I call it Odrin???) and the lands almost all the way to Istanbul will be Bulgarian again, LOL!

          1. a different chris

            > and the emotions are very raw even 100 years later

            Have you ever heard the saying: “In America 100miles is nothing and 100years is a very long time, in Europe it’s just the opposite.”

            1. OIFVet

              Heck, in the Balkans even 10 kilometers is a great distance, and things that happened a millennia ago happened yesterday.

      1. RabidGandhi

        Here in the southernmost colony we’re having a blast this morning watching the Macri administration and FM Malcorra try to peddle back their statements preferring Ms Rodham. Part of the fun is that Macri and Temer next door promoted themselves as a turn away from ‘isolationist populism’ toward ‘reintegration with the international community’ (where ‘the international community’ means not most countries, but rather the US and its vassals). Where does the lackey go whose master is lost at sea?

        1. OIFVet

          The colonials fear that their rice bowls will be empty, too. Of course, it remains to be seen whether Trump is serious about his foreign policy course change, and if he is, whether the deeply entrenched interests will let him change course. Assuming that 0bama truly tried to have a different foreign policy, the actions of the likes of Nuland showed just how much power the entrenched interests can yield.

          1. John k

            Pres has great power. Obomber allowed protesting generals to stay, coulda fired them. Trumps temperament not likely to stand for it.

            1. oh

              I’m not so sure. The three letter agencies are stacked with war mongers who somehow manage to convince any Prez that they choose door #1 after they show door #2 (worse choice) and door#3 (worst choice).

  14. temporal

    Anyone remember when everyone was in a tizzy when Trump said he might not immediately concede? Maybe they should have asked HRC the same question.

    1. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      1. a concession speech would be nice.

      2. a ‘we apologize) speech to Democrats (if not Americans and neoliberal victims worldwide) is mandatory in any soul searching, in any attempt to rebuild.

      Instead, on my local public radio, they are fanning fear.

  15. EndOfTheWorld

    The only viable excuse for HRC not coming in person to deliver a speech to her loyal workers and supporters is if she was experiencing health problems of some sort.

    She owed these people a personal appearance. She owed the country and the world a personal appearance for a concession speech. It is unprecedented, I believe, to send your campaign manager to make a concession speech.

    1. daniel kearns

      November 9, 2016 at 8:49 am

      What it so, so reminds me of is at the very beginning of the repub debates, and the asinine FOX question about EVERY candidate supporting the repub nominee. Maybe Trump’s victory was set when Trump had the COURAGE or at least the gumption not to go with the crowd, and be his own man. HOW IS THAT ANY KIND of a relevant question, other than being in the tank for the repub establishment?

      And how many media questions (i.e., advocacy for a position) that the LOSER should acquiesce GRACIOUSLY? — that just shows how much they are ALL lemmings

      Still (and I know I will be run off the site) I FEEL SORRY for Hillary. Even if she has no self awareness, she still has feeling. To Lose to Trump makes it apparent even to her how much people just despise her.

      1. NotTimothyGeithner

        She is despised for reasons. In a sane world, Hillary and her fellow Iraq War supporters should be leading the charge to liberate Mosul from ISIS. The Clintons deserve no sympathy. She didn’t have to run for President.

      2. EndOfTheWorld

        According to, Hill “had a concession speech ready, but was too upset to give it.” What? Too upset? And she wanted to be president of the US and was ready to go to war? American is very very lucky that Trump beat her and this substandard woman didn’t become president.

        1. temporal

          Given her health then, she should send that concession speech to her favorite MSM news outlets.

          Perhaps she caught pneumonia again. Fortunately this should only last about three days due to the recent medical advances.

        2. petal

          She didn’t get what she wanted (or had been promised) and threw a hissy fit/had a meltdown like a toddler in a corner. Says a lot. Very unprofessional, and now women will be tagged with the “oh, they get too emotional and can’t handle it” thing all over again.

          1. a different chris

            I know you have real fears, but realize that Liz Warren will now move to the front and nobody will say that about her. Ever. Tulsi Gabbard, Tammy Duckworth… there is hope I think.

            1. Waldenpond

              Back to the status quo with a new candidate and going for a win without the left is a legitimate strategy especially considering the Rs have H/S/WH/SC and will be held responsible … just need to see if this result was the rejection of Clinton or liberalism. I’m not sure that the left is going to get behind someone who was a R for so many years and sitting on the sidelines does not give the appearance of being a person of strong convictions.

            2. hunkerdown

              Get those centrist hacks out of my sight. The Hillary play is an epic fail.

              The Democrat Party needs to purge its liberals and go no further right than the Constitutency Labor Party.

              Though, a constituency Party to which the parliamentary Party is subordinate would be a good idea.

      3. pictboy3

        I actually agree with you on feeling sorry for her. People take politics too personally (not too seriously). I honestly think that Hillary probably believes a lot of the policies she pushes will be better for people in the long term, but she’s just hopelessly out of touch, especially since people like Rubin have been whispering in her ear for the past 20 years or more. I can imagine how much it must sting to get taken apart by a candidate who wouldn’t have made it out of the primaries in any other election. As a fellow human being, it’s not a very good feeling to watch her suffer. But her policies needed to be defeated, and hopefully this is the way it will happen.

        1. uncle tungsten

          I don’t feel sorry for her at all. Sure she had mindless sycophants dribbling sweet talk in her ears. Where were her critical faculties and analytical mind when Bernie Sanders was attracting MILLIONS of people to his rallies? Where was her judgement and analytical faculty when she was confronted by the numerical logic that if she added her numbers and Bernie’s numbers she could win a mundane political contest?

          I feel sorry for people that are unable to make logic and ethical judgements because they were never exposed to that foundation in their upbringing. But Hillary is a person enjoying a good developmental chance in her family, an excellent school opportunity and a serious exposure to the world of politics and law.

          She can’t add up numbers, she cant exercise a basic precaution in her administrative activities and she failed miserably to convey any ethical values to the electorate. She believed in her method and it caused huge offense and disquiet to the very people she relied on to succeed. She failed the job interview because it was beyond her very concerted attempt to rig.

          I feel sorry for so many Americans who have missed out on the social justice policies so superbly presented by Bernie Sanders.

        2. Lambert Strether

          I always pictured her as an aging boxer with a huge entourage she felt duty-bound to support. That’s not to say that she didn’t have ambition, too, but if she felt an obligation to the people who surrounded her and supported her, she had no choice but to go ahead. Clinton should have been the CEO of a small non-profit working with children. She would have been a lot happier, and the job a better fit for her abilities and limitations.

          1. aab

            You give her way more credit than I do. I don’t think she’s very nurturing. And she’s a terrible manager, which I think would be exacerbated running a non-profit, with its mushy boundaries.

            And if she was running for her supporters, she should have dragged herself out of bed last night and made her speech in their presence. She had many, many opportunities to not go ahead and still protect her people. She could have not stolen the primary and cut a deal with Bernie to give a lot of her people jobs on the campaign and in the administration. She could have even negotiated ceremonially getting the nomination and then handing it off to him, using her severe illness as an explanation. Or she could have required his VP be female.

            Her interns were working for free. She supported no other female politicians. I see no evidence that she was doing this for anyone other than herself.

  16. allan

    Fred Hiatt’s pity party at the WaPo is not to be missed, with this chestnut standing out:

    At home, President Obama bequeaths an economy in generally good health but facing problems: slow growth, stubborn inequality, long-term stress on the federal budget.

    With notably rare exceptions …

    1. daniel kearns

      November 9, 2016 at 8:55 am

      Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, wasn’t it just a hilarious play? Our media players have reached a permanently high plateau of great entertainment….

  17. daniel kearns

    Why did Hillary so fail?

    A – Maybe people thought the emails were a crime
    B – Maybe people thought the AFFORDABLE care act was anything but (if it makes Krugman leave for Canada, this election will have been worth it)
    C – Maybe people were just tired of the US secretary of the treasury FROM EITHER PARTY, always coming from Goldman Sachs
    D – Maybe people were sick of RICH celebrities flying around in private jets, telling them how good dems are to them, and by the way, stop being so racist!

    I do not feel good about Trump winning….but whose fault is That??? First the dems with Hillary, and than the repubs with 17 munchkins. Incredible

    I never thought I would see a black man elected as president in my lifetime. But a great ad campaign of “Hope and Change” disguised the fact that Obama was Bush with a tan…

    This is something different – it may not be good, but it is real.

    It is amazing with the incessant, non-stop, uniform media propaganda that things are just SWELL, the people rose up and said things may be good for Davos Man and all the happy, shiny people, but we the people still live here on the land, we control it, and what is good for you is not good for us…if we’re going down, we’re taking you with us.

    Tomorrow’s question – how did the media get it so, so, so, so, to infinity and beyond….WRONG

    1. NotTimothyGeithner

      Choice D is an overly specific choice, but it’s essentially correct. Bouncing from part time job to part time job, even good “contract” jobs, are not easy ways to live. “I feel your pain” and “here is how things are wrong and how to make them better” are the correct forms of campaigning, not “I’m super smart” and “you don’t know good you have it.”

      One of the Democratic candidates in Virginia ran ads with testimonials from Republicans (probably her friends) who said, “she just gets it.” Gets what? The candidate was the head of her local Chamber of Commerce.

    2. integer

      B – Maybe people thought the AFFORDABLE care act was anything but (if it makes Krugman leave for Canada, this election will have been worth it)

      It is incumbent on the US not to burden Canada with Krugman. I suggest a small free range enclosure for him and his peers, in which supply is modified in accordance with their demand in order to obey their theories and predictions. They would be happier and compared with the cost of letting them roam free, funding this would be economically sound.

      1. fresno dan

        November 9, 2016 at 9:29 am

        All we need do is supply they with shovels, and they will be able to dig all the holes they need to provision themselves….

            1. RMO

              Paul Krugman won’t come to Canada – we have single payer health care and he said that such a system is terribly flawed because under it the care is rationed out in tiny quantities – like waiting 12 years for delivery of your Lada in the 1980’s U.S.S.R.

              I admit to reading him regularly until he went completely off the rails when it looked like Bernie was becoming a serious threat to the coronation. I didn’t always agree with him but found him interesting and frequently thought provoking. Did he ever really think he had a chance at a position of power under an HRC presidency? There’s delusion for you. It would be sad if that was the motive behind his crazed propagandizing.

    3. abynormal

      Donald needs to dust off VOLCKER…let him scorch the earth!
      burn up the loose money wall st etc play with…pay the majority to save and LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS. in short order, it will hurt! but in the long run, assets will reset.

      “He no longer trusted the Federal Reserve Board to rise above partisan politics to focus on the public interest.” ~William L. Silber, Volcker

      What’s the subject of life – to get rich? All of those fellows out there getting rich could be dancing around the real subject of life. ~Paul A. Volcker

    4. AnnieB

      Well said. Thanks for that. There’s so much recrimination now from the Hillary supporters. They are in pain and lashing and can’t see their complicity in the Trump victory. Let’s give them a while to get some perspective (if ever). Trump supporters will calm down as well, especially if they see Trump trying to enact some of his ideas. Anyway, let’s all wait and see what Trump & Co actually do. His acceptance speech was encouraging (as Obama said). We all know that campaign rhetoric is often a sham. Let’s hope for the best and be ready to take action against the worst.

    1. fresno dan

      November 9, 2016 at 8:59 am


      Undoubtedly, that incredibly, never ending self righteous Main Stream Media drivel may be one of the most important drivers of Trump’s victory.
      Where o where is the gracious concession speech that the media told us was so important for the survival of the republic??????

        1. Waldenpond

          Maddow and the rest. Let’s review… the media colluded with a criminal enterprise to rig an election and failed spectacularly. Blaming voters is still the go to position.

          At this point I would also give an fu to the media personalities who excuse the wholesale collusion and propaganda campaign by simpering that media personalities just need to be public about their bias because what you’re really doing is enshrining for yourselves the power to (grind your boot in our face in perpetuity) select our elected officials because you arrogantly believe your privileged access to elites and insider agendas infer on you the right to manipulate and distort the people for your distorted view of the public good.

  18. Kokuanani

    Yves, thanks for the link to your June 1 article in Politico. The comments at the time were especially brutal. I’d like to see what they’re thinking/saying now.

    1. Vatch

      I read some of those comments this morning. Like the commenter here at NC who copied something from Deadspin on Nov. 7 (“Here’s the deal: Donald Trump is going to get his ass kicked.. . . .”), some of those people were far too convinced of their omniscience. Reality can be humbling.

  19. Jeremy Grimm

    The election is over. It’s time to push hard against TPP. It’s time to push hard to investigate Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

  20. fresno dan


    Ok, I better stop reading about the elites being so, so, so wrong – cause I’m pretty sure I’m reaching the point where I got so much of it that I could die… (of course, the vast majority still can’t figure out WHY they were wrong, but it is so delightful to see them flounder. By the way, has Krugman written anything yet???)

    1. MyLessThanPrimeBeef

      I think Mish also wrote off Trump after the first debate.

      Later, he might have softened but was never again really into it.

    2. RabidGandhi

      Like Ulysses Everett McGill awaking from slumber and exclaiming “my hair!”, the first word out of Operative K’s mouth was “markets!”.

      The ex-future Secretary of Treasury transmitted essentially two messages: (1) you proles are going to give Mr Market a sad; and (2) Trump’s election will be responsible for the prolonged financial crisis that already started.

  21. JTMcPhee

    Fun from the “Onion for GIs:”

    Military absentee ballots delivered one day late, would have swung election for Clinton

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted, with preliminary counts showing that they would have overturned the vote in several states and brought a victory for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

    Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system.

    Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month before they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan. At Camp Dwyer, Marine Sgt. John Davis signed for them and was surprised at the contents.

    “I told Gunny we got a bunch of ballots instead of ammo,” Davis told investigators earlier today. “He told me to file a report of improper delivery and that the chain of command would take care of it. We didn’t hear anything for three weeks.”

    He added: “While we were waiting, we came under fire so we dumped a bunch of them in the Hesco barriers. We didn’t dig those ones back out.”

    After military officials realized the initial error, the ballots were then sent back to the U.S. but suffered a series of setbacks.

    Twelve boxes of ballots were dropped overboard during delivery to the USS Kearsarge (LHD-3) in the Persian Gulf, then while the ship sailed to Bahrain, postal clerks allegedly pocketed whatever ballots they wanted.

    The remaining absentee ballots were loaded onto a C-130, but the flight was delayed until November 1st so the crew could get tax free pay for the month. Once the ballots arrived stateside they were promptly mailed to each state’s counting facility, reaching their final destination on November 7th.

    “It’s a shame,” Rear Adm. John Dawes said, when asked for comment. “I expected a delay so I ordered that everyone cast their votes eight months ago. It’s really unfortunate that our mail system failed us and directly affected the course of history.”

    Upon hearing the news, angry Democrats have demanded a recount, but most military absentee voters have shrugged off the news, with many wondering whether the care packages their families sent six months ago were ever going to show up.

    I wonder what ever happened to the CARE packages my mother and her friends sent me while I was in Vietnam, that never appeared, might be… Plus ca change…

  22. Awooga

    I’m feeling rather non-plussed with the results but I am definitely enjoying the hubris of it all. Much of what is being predicted now in a fit of grief from the liberals (loss of rights, deaths to innocents etc.) is exactly what they’ve been holding their nose on for the last 8 years. Even worse is that much of the dirty things that occurred under Obama will now become fashionable to speak out against again. I’m skeptical of the Democrats reforming themselves in time for the next national election, mainly because in now way could this ever been the fault of themselves. No, I figure that it will take another term of them clinging onto their ways before they recognize just how much the American public rejects their modus operandi

    On a side note, I thoroughly enjoyed reading the comments in retrospect on Yves’ Politico article. I never actually read it when it first came out but I found myself having to explain things in a similar fashion to friends about why I wouldn’t be upset at all with a Trump presidency and why it was a likely outcome despite the concentrated efforts of the corporate media to convince people that the race was always over in favor of Clinton from the start

  23. financial matters

    Hmmm interesting.. and wall street seems to like it

    Trump Rally

    In Donald Trump’s acceptance speech,
    here’s what he said that stood out,

    “We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. We’re going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none, and we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.”

    1. abynormal

      during the 90’s, i said Clinton was the strongest republican the party would ever enjoy. let’s see if Donald will be the strongest democrat, the party so desperately need…

      Reality tastes like ashes. ~ Azereth Skivel

    2. Eclair

      Not bad! Even if each is labelled: Trump Tunnel, Trump Airport, Trump Hospital, Trump Bridge, in ginormous, sparkly signage.

  24. Jeremy Grimm

    Putin and Microsoft software: Putin replacing the Microsoft software in government computers with a Russian operating system seems like very wise policy. Some of the assertions in the presentation on the Saker may be a little over the top — but also a little too plausible given Snowden’s disclosures. The Russian project would also help build the base of Russian software expertise and employ Russian programmers and designers.

    I think the Chinese may be thinking along similar lines — though I can’t point to any sources — just a hunch. When Lenovo bought the IBM PCs I vaguely recall plans to build a Chinese version of Linux. I remain puzzled why Lenovo shed the IBM name.

    Around the time the U.S. government standardized on using Microsoft products Sun Microsystems was moving away from support for its Linux software in favor of JAVA. At the time I thought DoD should purchase the Sun Linux software and begin a program of hardening it against attack — but this was after the Ada language debacle and other poorly run and failed efforts at standardizing systems configurations and systems software — and just before the big push to pour money into the Future Combat Systems(FCS) black hole.

    I don’t know how other people working in computer security felt about the matter — I thought the decision to standardize on the Microsoft software was a very bad decision. For years the patches Microsoft pushed out every few weeks were carefully tested by a considerable DoD effort before they were installed on DoD systems. This was to avoid patches which created new problems and/or added new vulnerabilities. In spite of any merits or demerits of the Microsoft software the standardization on one operating system and one mix of software makes a hacker’s job easier.

    1. fresno dan

      Jeremy Grimm
      November 9, 2016 at 10:35 am

      Where do I buy this Russian software….???

      I am not joking. Is there a better example of why the American economy is all f*cked up than the monopoly power of Microsoft to foist crappy, crappy products for decades upon us????

      1. temporal

        Russia almost certainly went with NetBSD or one of the secure Linux variants. Probably Linux because there are many more applications written for it.

        They might have shied away from SELinux because of its NSA roots or if they were smart they forked it and did a code audit.

        Nearly all BSD and Linux variants are free, as in beer.

        Ubuntu, is popular because the providers come the closest to hand holding and it too is free.

        Due to changes in Microsoft’s business model, all versions of Windows that are currently up to date spy on their users. Mostly it’s to find ways to bring Google functionality to the desktop. Where you go, what you buy and who you might know in order to provide targeted ads and provide businesses with marketing information. If you have a version of Windows that has not been upgraded in more than a year then you’ll want to avoid doing any more updates. I run Window 7 in a VirtualBox for some software but I turned off updates quite a while ago. There are a boat load of updates that brought Windows 10 style spying to Windows 7 and Vista. It is really nearly impossible to get most of them out. Some have been labeled as security updates. How far this functionality goes is anyone’s guess. This is one of the major reasons that upgrading to Windows 10 was for a while free and probably why it isn’t anymore.

        I would definitely avoid the Russian implementation because it would almost certainly include some watcher code so that a Russian version of Snowden would easily determined.

        The truth is that all of the Linux and BSD variants have some applications are a little non-intuitive because there are no mandatory design guides.

      2. hunkerdown

        fresno dan, the hierarchical consumer Internet is possibly the very prime example. If it were not for the commercial ideal of the Internet being TV with fewer moving parts and more meters, we would be receiving our emails at home without renting space from some Mail Boxes Etc. like Google. We also wouldn’t have to deal with our personal files being some multinational’s “business records”, and were the castle doctrine to extend to my gear the same way it apparently does to the DNC’s, I think there would be a lot fewer script kiddies with all their limbs.

    2. hunkerdown

      Corrections: Sun Microsystems was de-emphasizing Solaris, its UNIX(™ AT&T) operating system for its hardware, for the write-once run-anywhere promises of Java. I guess they saw the writing on the wall. Linux, a cousin not descended from AT&T code, was still a dual-tasking terminal emulator at that time, with no pretentions of being big and professional like GNU. (We still chuckle about that line 25 years later.) Solaris was rock-stable on that sweet pre-PCI Sun hardware, but as soon as they tried to kill off the Ultra 2 chassis with their SPARC-based “PC wannabe” built on PCI and IDE…

      Anyway, it turns out that DoD, or rather, the NSA Information Assurance Directorate (the “white hat” side), gave us SELinux, a set of kernel and userspace patches to Linux which after much examination are generally accepted as clean (and not SIGINT Enabling). If you have an Android KitKat or later device, you’re probably running it right now. Yet, because Microsoft is a big business and government is instituted to run the affairs of the bourgeoisie insofar as they believe any affairs useful or worthy, it was decided (note lack of agency) that militaries should eat consumer dogfood.

      Ubuntu Kylin, a Chinese government knock-off of Ubuntu, reportedly ships on 40% of new Dells sold in China (SCMP).

      Absolutely agree about heterogeneity and diversity.

      1. Jeremy Grimm

        You’re right — my memory and my attention to detail is dimming. I think I’m very deliberately forgetting the things I used to work on. I remember the Solaris Unix as a stable and elegant operating system. Much of the Army software at the time ran on Unix — though there were problems with systems integration resulting from the haphazard coordination between teams and the compression of testing — much of it done in field tests rather than in the lab.

        I’ve never been a fan of JAVA.

  25. Linda A

    Richard Pryor video is perfect reflection of this election. Everyone (not just media and elites) became consumed by a fight over racism and sexism, so they couldn’t hear the sucking sounds of corruption and an extraction economy getting ready to pull them under. To me, the results of the election are proof people across the board are finally awaken from their willful ignorance stupor, but of course the media et al will double down the racism and sexism.

    The question now is how do we start connecting hands to build a bridge over the abyss.

  26. Portia

    For various reasons, including the drumming out I received for being a Bernie supporter, I could not resist going to DK to see how they are handling it…

    worse?????? LOL. now we are into bizarro territory. she did comment on people (Bernie supporters) “scurrying back” so probably this is to tell them they are not welcome. LOL. and she called out the “white left”. the agenda there has become very puzzling indeed. except maybe Denise was expecting an appointment, not a disappointment

    1. Anne

      If Sanders had been the nominee, I do not believe Trump would have been the Republican nominee, but I do think Sanders would have had a better chance to capture many of the voters who were drawn to Trump in the face of a possible President Clinton, who didn’t seem to really be hearing their anger at how badly they had been let down.

      I don’t want Sanders as head of the DNC – he’s going to be needed in the Senate; I have no idea how one fixes what’s wrong with the DNC, but at this point, reform is not enough: it is the organizational equivalent of a tear-down.

      1. Portia

        I posted this from Kos because it is so ridiculous after banning any criticism of Clinton since March and calling Bernie supporters children who need to grow up, and basically throwing Bernie under the bus at any opportunity, and expecting all frontpagers to do the same, and letting loose the wolves in the comments section and everywhere else. It is just one more example of lunacy at that site, or maybe Kos recognizes Bernie’s [misguided and totally erroneous, IMNSHO] belief that reform can be done within the current structure.

        1. Praedor

          Isn’t more accurate to say, “Who cares what Kos means anymore?”

          He’s as deaf and blind as the Democratic establishment. Hell, he IS establishment through and through.

    1. Sputnik Libertine

      Hillary and Bill are wearing purple in the video, which could indicate a mixture of the Democratic/Republican colours or the colour of royalty. Both?

      1. hunkerdown

        Purple makes a fine burial shroud. -Empress Theodora, encouraging Justinian to massacre 30000 Constantinopleans for giving him lip.

    2. Katniss Everdeen

      The speech was very gracious, dignified and well-delivered.

      I detest this woman and everything she stands for and she deserved to lose, but…… where credit is due.

      1. Jeremy Grimm

        I still want to see her and the Clinton Foundation investigated, however gracious and dignified she may be.

        On style points Clinton consistently stomped Trump. I am gratified she was gracious and dignified in defeat. If dignity and graciousness were lost too these would become truly dark times.

        1. oh

          She’s groveling to Trump so he won’t investigate her and her the Clinton (rancid) Foundation. It’s as simple as that. No need for kudos to her. She needs to be put in shackles.

  27. Paid Minion

    Gee……..I haven’t seen smiles like this on people since Jesse Ventura was elected Governor of Minnesota.

    Another highlight is that Kansans rejected Sam Brownback and the religious conservatives who campaigned to replace four Kansas Supreme Court justices (aka “Activist Judges”……… if evangelical, hard azz conservative judges aren’t “activist”)

  28. OIFVet

    Michelle 2020 is already trending on social media. The liberuls haven’t learned an effing thing, and I doubt that they ever will.

    1. Portia

      the biggest problem with social media I see is you can’t see exactly how many people are really behind all of the dreck that gets launched. most of it is floating a trial balloon

    2. curlydan

      OMG, I need to keep a barf bag handy today. Can I splain something to the ‘Murican people, especially the identity obsessed Democrats? Married couples constitute two very different personalities. The expectation that a politician’s spouse is somehow going to be as adept as the politician is nuts. Bill was an extroverted energizer bunny genius who was made to be a politician. His wife was a completely different personality and temperament. That’s how we marry–we find something different we’re attracted to. So the Democrats managed to nominate a singularly poor politician who really doesn’t like hanging out with people and has no good sense of what people want. And now Michele Obama is being floated to do the same? Ugh.

      P.S. Americans also hate dynasties. We tried it with W and found it sorely lacking.

      1. OIFVet

        Like the Japanese wife of my best friend once said, it will be quite the erection season (true story, not a gratuitous stereotype). For a fascist, Trump sure sure is fond of Slavs. That makes him better that most of the Anglo-Saxon establishment.

  29. Baby Gerald

    So last night the media geniuses, as a last straw attempt to scare whatever voters they could into voting for their girl, were predicting disaster in the futures of the next morning’s markets. As I write this, the Dow is up 130-ish points.

    1. Portia

      Bernie would have been the real disaster winner for the financial and corp sector. they managed to fend off real change.

  30. Portia

    Subliminal campaigning. the demographic was narrow though. what were they thinking?

    from the CP article:
    Hillary Clinton has completely rejected even the pretense of class-oriented politics, in favor of targeting discrete demographics of voters, sending coded messages through the color and cut of her pantsuits to suburban women in Philly suburbs and insurance brokers in Tallahassee. This is the politics of identity, where your working conditions are less important than where you shop and what you buy. There is no unifying message to her campaign. Instead there are thousands of messages, each individually tailored and targeted like those stalker ads on Google and Amazons. It’s politics by algorithm.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s blue-collar voters are condemned by the liberal elites as neo-Nazis and Klan-like automatons.

  31. abynormal

    just now Hilary said, “we owe a large debt to President Obama”…more of a DEBT burden we’ll never be able to pay off….THANK YOU SO MUCH

    1. OIFVet

      Thanks. 0bama! I wrote last night that Trump is part of 0bama’s legacy. It is a part that he and the liberal Democrat establishment will not own up to.

      1. Katniss Everdeen

        Trump is part of obama’s “legacy,” a legacy that may not be as great as he likes to claim. And I’d say this election was as much a referendum on him as it was on clinton. Especially since any open criticism of obama was immediately labelled racist to shut it down.

        The theme today on the “news” is how the pollsters could have gotten things so wrong. The one “poll” that has not come under scrutiny is obama’s approval rating. Maybe that’s where they should start when trying to explain these election result.

        1. NotTimothyGeithner

          My theory is any question after the first two questions of a poll is a positive answer from lonely people looking to give the correct answer. Obama like Bill and George (held steady at the end) before him rose while their parties declined because the people who stayed on wanted to be positive.

          Hillary’s popularity rose in 2009 because she was down the list of questions on a poll. People likely to give a negative answer had already had hung up.

    2. a different chris

      Chill. We will never need to pay it off, it’s in our own currency.

      Or continue freaking: The real reason we (the people we elect) don’t pay it off is that we (you me etc) “owe” it to our betters and that gives them the control that they (as just demonstrated) simply can’t get thru the ballot box.

    3. allan

      A fully functioning national security surveillance state, backed by secret courts and legal opinions,
      is a debt that we will never be able to repay.

  32. TheCatSaid

    Important–no one should accept any unverified election results–ever.

    Lambert quoted Bill Black‘s explanation in the context of the inevitability of accounting control fraud:

    Accounting is the CEO’s “weapon of choice” that transforms the perverse incentive into what economists, regulators, and criminologists agree is a “sure thing” in crises (means). That’s the classic recipe for disaster: motive, means, and opportunity. …

    Black has said that when there is motive, means and opportunity, fraud is a “sure thing”. The same holds true for elections.

    Motive: money (and power). For example, considering “only” local elections, every year local county councils make decisions on hundreds of Billions of dollars of contracts for services, construction projects and zoning approvals.

    Means: Fraction Magic software has the proven capacity to alter results in multiple races and jurisdictions; the program was installed as an unapproved patch on vote tabulating machines starting in 2001 and now resides on 67-99% of vote tabulating computers in USA. This includes machines that are 15 years old.

    Opportunity: Contractors, sub-contractors, election officials, IT staff, voting machine vendors, subcontractors, janitors–a wide range of people have access to central tabulating machines. One minute of access (or less) is all that’s needed. The access can be achieved by using a thumb drive or in some cases subcontractors have internet access approved by election staff.

    Elections are too important not to verify! If there is no verification, fraud will occur, for the reasons Bill Black explained.

    Good news – verification is possible in most places. A simple FOIA request for election Ballot Images makes this possible. It was recently discovered that even paperless voting machines create internal Ballot Images. Instructions on how any voter or resident can make a FOIA request for their Ballot Images is, Ballot Images: A new way to verify that results are true. It’s simple to do!

    According to vendor user manuals, these ballot images were created to allow for audit and public inspection. If any election offices have deleted their tabulator’s ballot images we should wonder why–the files are small.

    Any NC reader in the US who’s interested in election integrity–or knows someone who is–please share this information widely. It’s not about political preference. It’s about democracy and transparency.

    Lastly, we should be paying attention to and checking results for all elections and ballot initiates–not just presidential elections. Lots of things we care about most depend on decisions made by local representatives, officials, judges and prosecutors.

    1. Jeremy Grimm

      Standing in line, waiting to vote, there grew within me an antipathy toward the machines and cost-cutting and Taylor-style efficiency of our voting process. Voting — paper ballots — filling them out, collecting them and their public counting should have a ritual component and a component building and binding community before and after the process. We have lost that along with reason to lend our full faith to the truth of the outcome.

      1. TheCatSaid

        I agree. Publicly observable, with public participation. The elements of community ritual you mention are important–we’ve precious few remaining these days, and communities have been fragmented or meaningless.

        The one caveat–in a recent conversation with someone who’s expert on Venezuelan elections–currently rated the best in the world–they had to get rid of in-person ballot-counting of paper ballots because of the extent of corrupt control (this was about 20 yrs ago, not recent) that ballot boxes would be emptied & stuffed. Something would be needed to prevent this even in known corrupt areas, which have existed famously in the US as well (Daly-era Chicago–don’t know to what extent things have improved).

        Various places in the US that always use public count of paper ballots have developed good methods for secure ballot handling & counting, e.g. using multiple teams to count, stacks are exchanged and a second count by a different teams does its own count. Results not accepted until both counts match exactly. This method is fast, easy to carry out, and any citizen can participate.

  33. Plenue

    I woke up this morning to discover my Common Dreams account had been purged. Deleted, wholesale, and my IP banned from creating a new account. Anyone seen any other signs of censorship post-defeat from left circles?

    1. oh

      I’ve been reading posts and comments at CD for several years now. I haven’t heard of any commenter being purged although they block some comments. Not like PuffingtonPost or DailyCross where they are rife with HillBots and DemBots. Set up a new id with them and try again. Complain to them too.

  34. Vatch

    This is weird and disturbing. I thought that Hillary Clinton and Libertarian Gary Johnson were the preferences of the private prison industry:

    Private prison stocks soared in morning trading Wednesday, fueled by Donald Trump’s surprise presidential victory.

    Stocks made a modest climb in volatile trading at market open, calming the nerves of investors who saw futures markets crater overnight. Private prison companies, however, soared. Corrections Corp. of America (CXW) , which recently rebranded as CoreCivic, surged 36.22% to $19.33 in late-morning trading, and The Geo Group (GEO) climbed 17.25% to $28.00. Both stocks took major hits over the summer when the U.S. government signaled it would phase out its use of private prisons.

    1. Dave

      Hillary, Bill and thousands of Wall Street executives are willing to pay for the most luxurious accommodations. Think of the profits for boutique brigs?

    2. JohnnyGL

      Perhaps they’re anticipating a big influx of employees from the Clinton Foundation will need to be custodied very soon? :)

    3. Tim

      Clinton had 180d on “tough on crime”. Trump is the law and order candidate. What is left to figure out?

    4. jrs

      it’s for locking the illegal immigrants in private prisons (but not their employers probably). well and possibly a few other minorities if he really means the “law and order” stuff.

      then again the stock market isn’t always entirely rational …

  35. OIFVet

    Did 0bama just have a slip of the tongue and almost say “sexist transition” before he corrected it to “successful transition,” or did my lying ears play a trick on me?

    1. integer

      I noticed that too. For anyone who is interested, it can be seen approximately 1 minute and 40 seconds into this YouTube video of his speech.

    1. prowsse

      These algorithms (including 538 and the like) are all an example of the “garbage in-garbage out” principle. Polls are too easy to manipulate, and the most accurate tool was NY Times county level tracker on election day. Its accuracy was impressive because it was using real election day data that could not easily be manipulated through over-sampling or dubious assumptions about levels of turnout.

      Based on the final actions of the Hillary campaign, including cancelling the celebratory fireworks show and where they sent the surrogates in the final days, it suggests that the internal polls were showing a different picture than the public polls (save for the IBD and LA Times poll, which must feel vindicated for predicting a Trump victory).

      1. TheCatSaid

        “it suggests that the internal polls were showing a different picture than the public polls ”

        And/or the last-minute spreading of information about how Ballot Images can reveal election tampering at the wholesale (vote tabulating computer) may have prevented some exploits from being carried out. Or not.

        Unless and until we have Ballot Images inspected for most or all of the elections we will never really know what’s real. Did Trump really win? Did Clinton really win? Did Trump actually win by a larger margin than the official results?

        Election-altering capability has been present on our electronic voting machines since at least 2001–but probably earlier, as there are convictions for election fraud using lever machines going back to the 1880s. With poor chain of custody of ballots, voting machines and election records, zero transparency, and lack of public awareness of these issues–we don’t know to what extent any of our “official” results were accurate or not. We can make a good guess in many cases–for example, I think Bernie Sanders won the Vermont primary election–but even there, it’s possible he won by more (or less) than official results show.

        Without data we’re left with guesswork and “trust”. That’s a bad idea for elections. Like Enron with no auditing.

        1. RMO

          I’ve said it before about Nate Silver: he’s like someone who happened to buy a winning lottery ticket once and has regarded himself as a financial genius ever since.

    1. Dave

      And will students finally be able to find good cheap used cars for sale and locate inexpensive rentals once the illegals self-deport after learning that they can no longer get hired because of mandatory E-Verify, nor send money back to Mama in Mexico?

      Had an interesting conversation with a hard core looking Chulo working in a lumber yard yesterday.

      I knew this guy was a rabid Trump hater for sure. Virgin of Guadalupe tattoos, blue bandana headband, the whole barrio chic thing, etc.
      We got to talking about economics and he brought up the election with no prompting from me.

      “You know it’s not fair that I did things right. I’m paying taxes for ten years and these other guys are sneaking in and taking jobs and committing crimes where I live. I’m voting for Trump.”

      I was speechless. I knew at that moment that Trump was going to win.

      1. jrs

        no because illegals are not the main cause of high housing costs. population does put some strain on infrastructure, but the housing mess is caused by other things.

  36. voteforno6

    In a weird way, I wonder if this election should give hope to the left. After all, if this country can defeat the Clinton machine, with the full weight of the establishment behind it, and elect Trump, what else can it do?

  37. Plenue

    Syraqistan updates:

    The Admiral Kuznetsov and its escorts have joined the flotilla off the coast of Syria. They’ve already set a time within the next day to begin launching cruise missiles at militant infrastructure and staging grounds (all targets are outside of Aleppo City, though I’m sure our media will still claim war crimes).

    Meanwhile on the ground the militants to the west of the city seem to be collapsing. The Syrian Army completely took back an apartment complex that has been a bloody tug-of-war for many months, then kept right on going and took a school that has been a heretofore unassailable stronghold. And they’re still going beyond that, pushing the frontline as far to the west as they can. The Russian coalition seems set to finally deliver the knockout blow to the ‘moderate’ rebels.

    If Trump at least holds to deescalating with Russia the opposition may not have the foreign support needed to continue to drag out the fight. He’s set to start receiving much more in-depth intelligence reports now. Whatever else he may be, he’s a New Yorker. He isn’t at all going to like what he hears and reads about the degree of US and Gulf State support for the fellow-travelers of the people who murdered 3,000 New Yorkers and remodeled the city’s skyline. And he’s not part of the establishment blob that has completely dispensed with all sense of decency and convinced itself allying with head-choppers is somehow necessary. Without foreign aid the ‘rebels’ will wither on the vine.

  38. Synoia

    Impossible Spaceship Engine Called “EmDrive” Actually Works, Leaked NASA Report Reveals

    The EmDrive, which was demonstrated in 2006 by scientist Roger Shawyer, works by bouncing around microwave radiation within a cone-shaped piece of metal, known as a resonant cavity. Those photons zipping around inside the cavity, in turn, forces the cavity forward—along with anything else attached to it, like a spaceship—as the microwave energy bounces out the wide end.

    It’s vexed scientists due to the fact that it appears to violate one of the fundamental laws of physics. Based on our current understanding of Newton’s Third Law of Motion—y’know, every action must have an equal and opposite reaction—the EmDrive shouldn’t work…

    Light (and Microwaves) are known to produce thrust. Light trusted spaceships have been a genre of Science for decades.

    1. Optimader

      If the sum of the reaction force onthe cone has a forward vector it should move
      Not sure why it should be percieved as ” impossible”?

        1. subgenius

          You are confusing rest mass and relativistic mass – only particles (wave packets) with zero rest mass can achieve the speed of light; as they approach this limit, relativistic mass comes into play – which is why solar sails work…

    2. Jeotsu

      Yeah, you can get momentum from photons (see: solar sails), but it takes a lot of photons to provide much thrust. Think of it this way, solar fluence at earth’s surface is on the order of 1.5kW per square meter, and is greater in space away from the shielding atmosphere. Yet an effective solar solar needs to have a surface area measured in square kilometers- and that is to move an ultra-light payload. Thus Gigawatts of power would be required to make an effective photon/light drive (The sort of power output from a large nuclear reactor – 4GW of heat for 1 GW of electricity).

      So, if there is any discussion of this microwave resonator producing unusual thrust, then they are (I presume) talking about a phenomena that produces 6-10 orders of magnitude more thrust then you would expect from a photon (light) drive.

      I’ll withhold belief until corroborating evidence. But I admit my geeky heart is excited.

      1. Tim

        You’re dead on.
        Nasa testing validation only achieved 2 orders of magnitude less force than the original Brit’s testing. So the thrust is so small it’s almost in the noise of any other newtonian physics going on.

        1. Praedor

          It’s all crap, aiming for the infield instead of the fences. Nuclear pulse propulsion is the best way to gain access to the entire solar system with nice 1g exposure to the crew for the entire trip no matter where, Mars or Pluto. Such craft can be built by the same techniques and worth the same heavy steel materials as naval shipyards building aircraft carriers. No more flimsy aluminum ships and sweating every single ounce of mass on board. You could easily build a heavy ship to comfortably carry 100 people to Mars or Jupiter, etc, worth the trip to Mars taking a couple weeks, just another week or two to get to Jupiter. The crew would be under a full 1g acceleration the entire trip and sleep in normal beds. No loss of bone and muscle mass. All the concepts have been demonstrated and proven (back in the 60s).

  39. Dave

    In my opinion, the country is in a financial bubble and the the powers that be have been propping it up, especially ‘until the election of Hillary Clinton’.

    I believe that they are going to let it fall apart and perhaps give it an extra big shove over the edge after Trump’s Inauguration Day.

    It therefore would be important to educate people about how perilous the economy is, starting now. Please keep promoting Naked Capitalism and other credible economic websites, before he assumes office, so that they don’t blame previous debt accumulation and outcomes on President Trump who is blameless for economic fundamentals until after his own policies kick in.

  40. Rosario

    The EM drive paper is incredible. While skimming the paper it seems quantum effects offer a viable remedy to the apparent breaking of Newtonian physics. Really cool!

      1. Rosario

        That may be the case now (based on the paper, if it is valid) but they couldn’t remedy the contradiction with Newtonian physics in the past. That is why it was such a controversial technology. For every action there must be a reaction. The drive got a bad rap from the physics community because they couldn’t rationalize how they could work absent a propellant.

    1. ewmayer

      Sorry, but that whole ‘impossible’ schtick is moronic, given that it’s been known for over a century that while photons have no rest mass (in fact it is nonsensical to even speak of rest mass for a particle which by its very nature can never be at rest), they do carry *momentum*, which is what N3L is all about. Ever seen those science-clasroom dealies consisting of an evacuated glass bulb with a little 4-paddle ‘light anemometer’ inside? Light hits the darkened side of the paddles, sets the thing spinning – ergo, momentum.

      The only ‘quantum mechanics’ you need to understand this is the momentum != 0 aspect, which was understood long before the rise of QM over a century ago.

      1. RMO

        The “4-paddle ‘light anemometer’” (Crookes radiometer) doesn’t actually work on light pressure. The wikipedia page is consistent in it’s explanation with a couple of textbooks I have and worth reading. Driving a spacecraft by light is possible though.

        If only we could figure out a truly safe way of getting the material up into orbit I would be fully in favor of building a Project Orion type spacecraft. With every pulse of the drive we would be forever ridding ourselves of another nuclear bomb.

        1. ewmayer

          I stand corrected – thanks! I was always under the impression these devices were evacuated, hence the ‘differential heating of ambient air’ explanation never occurred to me. I’m guessing now that the radiation pressure is orders of magnitude less than the motive force provided by the heating-of-air, i.e. such a device, when evacuated, could in theory demonstrate it, but would need to be exceedingly finely constructed, to reduce the rotational friction to a level sufficiently small to allow rad-pressure to move the paddlewheel.

          However, the fact that there was an, um, heated debate about the mechanics following Crookes’ discovery supports my point that physics was well-acquainted with the concept of radiation pressure going back at least 150 years or so.

        2. ewmayer

          Actually, there’s another thing that should have clued me in to the wrongness of my example: The paddlewheel in a Crookes device turn the opposite way of that one would see were it being driven by radiation pressure. Here’s why: Assume an evacuated glass enclosure, and ignore black-body radiation and absorption for now (an approximation which would hold only for the brief time in which light absorption would not yet cause an appreciable temperature rise in the paddles.) Light still strikes the dark side of each paddle and is absorbed, giving the paddle a tiny push due to the momentum of the absorbed photon. But, on the reflective side, incoming photons bounce off, and said momentum reversal imparts *twice* the normal momentum of each reflective photon to the paddle. Ergo a net push on the silvered side.

          However, it seems like it would be a serious challenge to prevent the above effects from quickly being countered/overwhelmed by black-body radiation ones. As soon as the vanes heat up they start re-releasing the momentum of the previously absorbed photons. Said BB radiation also occurs preferentially from the blackened side, so this would tend to negate the initial differential push on the silvered sides. So to truly build a radiation-pressure-powered version of such a device, one would need to find a way to negate the BB radiation effetcs. Perhaps some clever design where both sides are silvered but one shaped to redirect the impinging light radially, allowing rad-pressure on the opposite side to dominate without appreciable heating of the vanes occurring?

          In any event, my previous wrongness led me to some useful thought experiments!

  41. juliania

    Thank you for the gannets!

    They are indeed beautiful birds, impressive for their aerial high dives to retrieve fish, plummeting straight down with breathtaking accuracy. Olympians, they are, no question, the elites of the seagull clan.

    Also impressive are the royal albatross that have colonized the tip of the Otago Peninsula.

  42. JSM

    Re: Impossible Spaceship Engine Called “EmDrive” Actually Works, Leaked NASA Report Reveals

    Rest assured that something announced in the last decade represents something already under development in the decade before that. NASA is (probably) just the National Aeronautical Spectacle Administration. (I.e., civilian demonstrations.)

  43. Waldenpond

    To be clear, I am not for shooting Clinton nor Trump. On the other hand, I have frequently been daydreaming that the House, Senate and SC are in session at the same time a meteor hits but that’s should end now that the election is over. Right?

  44. Katharine

    For what it may be worth, Brand New Congress reports this result of the election, in an email received today:

    When we started reaching out to these potential candidates, they thought we were crazy. They are not politicians, they are working people who keep America going every day. But today, we woke up to emails and phone calls. Trump’s victory has convinced many of them the time is now.

    But some of these folks are asking us very specific questions — questions about YOU. “Haven’t people lost faith in this entire country now?” “Haven’t they given up?”

    This is very real. We need you to show our candidates that you will never give up. Add your name to our pledge to elect a Brand New Congress in 2018. When we get to 100,000 names, we will announce our first batch of draftees.

    If anyone is interested in this effort, the website is They will of course ask for money, but that’s after the signup, not a requirement.

  45. Waldenpond

    Thank you for the links this am. I am still angry about the election and the reading is serving as effective brain bleach and assisting in moving on. Issues and policy, oh my.

  46. DWD


    I tried (again, sigh) to explain to the folks at Eshcaton what happened last night. To no avail of course. I have been trying to explain this for more than a decade, but once you assume that you are better than the “Rubes” it is hard to understand.

    Here’s my piece enhanced a bit for NC.

    On Monday my locally owned and convenient supermarket is closing its doors: it cannot compete with Walmart and Meijers. ( A chain of superstores based in Grand Rapids, MI that has made inroads into both Detroit and Chicago: basically like a Walmart Supercenter)

    I spent as much money at this store as I did at the others because their meat was locally sourced and they had a great bakery/deli.

    And it was convenient to park just outside the door and walk in a get the things I needed without parking in a MEGA parking lot and going to the MEGA store. (Where the milk and pop and other items are located in the furthest reaches of the store)

    It’s how it goes around here: if I drive down Sherman Blvd* toward my parents’ house I will go by abandoned factories, poor areas, closed stores and streets badly in need of repair.

    And though the area I live in is upscale – we are only talking about driving a mile or two down the road to find poverty that rivals any in this country.

    33% of the children of Michigan are living in poverty and about the same amount are food challenged.

    It is not just racism or sexism that begs for a change.

    Donald Trump is no answer: he is a fraud and a carnival barker and really a detestable human being but he offered change and the other team offered more of the same.

    I cannot emphasize this enough: outside of what Yves calls the Acela Corridor and the coasts of California and such and pockets of wealth surrounding our big cities, a lot of this country is facing deprivation and a lack of opportunities for themselves and their children.

    To not understand this is beneath us.

    I wanted Hillary and thought she would do a good job.

    Apparently not enough of my neighbors did.

    * Sherman Blvd in Muskegon, MI is an interesting road. It is about four miles long and runs East and West with four or five lanes of traffic. At the West End it turns into Beach Street and goes along the shore of Lake Michigan past the rich houses and into the parks and beaches where it ends.

    At the East End it dead ends into Heights Ravenna Road at the juncture of the three Correctional Facilities run by the State.

    In between are shopping areas, restaurants, abandoned factories, closed stores: extreme poverty and finally culminating in a business center that features Lowes and Walmart, Sam’s Club, Applebees, Panara Bread and the rest.

    It is like Lakeshore Drive in Chicago where you can go from the poverty of the South Side to the Gold Coast except that we have a perfect societal matrix: the beach and beauty at one end and prisons at the other.

    1. bob

      50/50 hindsight, with a big dose of I’m-better-than-you. Mighta made a difference a while ago, this is just straight up bullshit.

      How is he different than Hillz?

      When are the rest of the documents coming out? Did his owners’ interest prevent him from speaking before?

      How can he continue to sell this?

      Fucking incisive….that lead in blowjob seems to describe GG pretty well-

      “mainstream media complex, the supreme arrogance and comfortable myopia of the privileged throughout the Hypocracy.”

        1. Yves Smith Post author

          I’m letting this through only because Greenwald has been one of the few to criticize the MSM running anti-Trump editorials as news and also to call out Hillary as a lousy candidate. But no more comments like this. You can be incisive without being crude.

          1. uncle tungsten

            bob, the country where anyone parks their arse is inconsequential. This site appreciates informed commentary and criticism that is tangible from any human, anywhere. There are so many people from all around this planet that comment here that we are all enriched by their experience. Angry jibes are pointless.

            GG applies some mighty interesting critical analysis, not always to my liking, but he inspires critical thinking. Better than reading Krugman or the works of chairman mao.

            1. bob

              Very reasonable sounding complete dismissal. You’ve spent some time in business or Academia?

              GG of CATO.

              Why is it that when these inconvenient facts get to print, there is ALWAYS a super-fan ready to issue judgement on what is or is not “inconsequential?”

              Is there a list of approved consequentialities?

                1. bob

                  Being clear about where one stands is not family friendly? I can’t simply say – I disagree.

                  It’s much more, and more personal than that.

                  Uncle is nothing more than a concern trolling huckster. “while I disagree with soylent, we have to count the benefits. the truck drivers, the can makers…”

                  No, no *we* don’t. Selling the libertarian dream, and getting paid very well for it, is not something ANYONE should be polite about calling out.

                  For the children.

                  I’d repeat myself, but it seems I’ve already been edited.

  47. Oregoncharles

    “Leaders don’t grasp Hong Kong fury Bangkok Post”

    Sounds awfully familiar, doesn’t it?

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